National Protest and 'disband the cops' discussion (please review page 1)
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This is like the 10th fire or something like that started by the Black Bloc in Portland Police Union hall. I'm pretty sure in any decent city, all rioters apprehended would be held in remand.
Well none of these are protests anymore. They haven't been protests for months. They are all riots using the sheeps clothing of peaceful demonstrations to then assault people.
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Floyd was a thug, the dirtbag lived of the misery of others and preyed upon his community for his own personal gain. World is better without him.
As for Floyd's deification and race being used as justification for burning, looting, murdering, etc... I'm calling bullshit. To me, the people pushing the race angle and using it to justify their actions are useful idiots. Same goes for the retards acting as political and literal shields for Marxist trash. People don't think commie uprisings be like they is, but it do.
If I we're a nihilist, I'd think this was part of a scorched earth political policy fomented by a bunch of corrupt bureaucrats. You know, the deep state types who've sold out our national interests, for the sake of globalism, and trips to pedophile island.
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I just don't get you man. I really just don't get you.
How is it better? I mean serious question, how it it better?
He's dead.
Is it better for his family who loved him? Probably not.
Is it better for the businesses and cities that burned because of him begin gone? They'd probably say 'no'.
Is it better for the cops and first responders who overnight when from some semblance of feeling good about their job, to becoming public enemy #1, with cities looking for ways to shut their departments down? I'm thinking not.
All because some cop who knew him personally, murdered him in front of 3 other officers.
So tell me @R.Caerbannog , how the fuck is the world better without him?
Christ on a crutch, man. Sometimes.....
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One less habitual criminal and drug addict off the streets.
Question, which family? Cause the guy was the epitome of a deadbeat dad. Fathered a bunch a kids who didn't get anything before or after his death.
Businesses and cities are being burned down by Marxists/useful idiots. Shit would stop if you ventilated the perps... but, they're special and have political top cover. Unlike law abiding citizens and businesses who just get shit on.
Again Marxists, commies, subversion, etc. Bleeding heart liberals allowed the deluge of quislings and useful idiots to take over those cities/counties/states. This is a case where you get what you vote for. MN's commie AG is a good example of this.
Floyd died of a heart attack cause he was doing "all the drugs", with a side covid, and resisted arrest. Dude killed himself.
(My grammar and syntax is crap. Hence all the edits.)
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This is literally the only thing you’ve said that I can agree with.
Maybe I’m the idiot.
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I didn't know the guy BUT I do know GOD and Jesus have a plan for us all. I feel like we get closer every day to seeing that plan come to fruition.
Sometimes it is easy to speak ill of the dead but it is best sometimes to just leave the obvious unsaid.
GOD Bless Guys and Gals.
Sometimes it is easy to speak ill of the dead but it is best sometimes to just leave the obvious unsaid.
GOD Bless Guys and Gals.
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Can we at least not call the former officer a murderer here? Or at least put alleged in front of that as a qualifier. I significantly doubt that he woke up that day to do anything but train the rookie he was with. Sure, he has a few complaints in his record, he's also got a couple handfuls of commendations.
He had his knee on the guy's neck, but we now know that it was an approved restraint technique. We also know that while he was standing, Floyd stated the phrase "I can't breath" multiple times.
We also know that he was resisting arrest throughout the process. Did Chauvin's actions lead to the death of Mr. Floyd? Yeah I could agree with that. But as shown earlier in this thread, Mr Floyd was high as stunt kite, which is a significant factor in this whole thing.
Was Mr. Floyd a "good person". The answer is no. And yes, whenever there is an officer involved shooting, it always seems that it is a person that is a former criminal or someone caught in a crime that gets deified. It keeps happening and happening. Is there a problem with the system? Or are we all just human? We're not paying LEOs enough to get the BEST. Just like we aren't paying boot Soldiers and Marines enough to get the BEST.
Do most people do their job because they have a calling to serve that is extrinsic to them? Yes.
Have Marxists taken control of a narrative and are using protests to continue violence against our institutions whilst elected leadership cowers to them? Yes.
He had his knee on the guy's neck, but we now know that it was an approved restraint technique. We also know that while he was standing, Floyd stated the phrase "I can't breath" multiple times.
We also know that he was resisting arrest throughout the process. Did Chauvin's actions lead to the death of Mr. Floyd? Yeah I could agree with that. But as shown earlier in this thread, Mr Floyd was high as stunt kite, which is a significant factor in this whole thing.
Was Mr. Floyd a "good person". The answer is no. And yes, whenever there is an officer involved shooting, it always seems that it is a person that is a former criminal or someone caught in a crime that gets deified. It keeps happening and happening. Is there a problem with the system? Or are we all just human? We're not paying LEOs enough to get the BEST. Just like we aren't paying boot Soldiers and Marines enough to get the BEST.
Do most people do their job because they have a calling to serve that is extrinsic to them? Yes.
Have Marxists taken control of a narrative and are using protests to continue violence against our institutions whilst elected leadership cowers to them? Yes.
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In the interest of keep things factual, there is absolutely no evidence to support, no has anyone with any real credibility, suggested the two knew each other. On the contrary, even the club owner where they worked suggested it was very unlikely they ever met or knew of each other.
And as for murder, that's still TBD. Did Floyd die while he was being restrained? Yes. However, that alone doesn't constitute murder.
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Nah dude, don't beat yourself up. Think of it like dealing with the 5 stages of grief. (Denial, Anger, Bargaining, Depression, Acceptance)
Meme from earlier.
I think.........................Famous last words................
I know the officer ACCUSED of murdering George hasn't got a friend in this world BUT I also think he wasn't entirely responsible for Floyds death if at all.
I had a good friend recently die of a Fentanyl overdose and it wasn't pretty. He was also a hell of a human being. One of those guys who'd give you the shirt off his back. George on the other hand............... Like I said. I didn't know the man. So I'll leave judgement to the Man upstairs. That's his realm.
We/Us we are Soldiers, Sailors, Marines, and Airmen/women. We don't judge we just deliver the accused. That's our jobs and we are good at it. Maybe the best on earth at it. But I digress.
So lets ASSUME................ George did die of a fentanyl overdose exacerbated by a knee on his neck. Does that make the officer in question solely responsible.............I'm gonna lean towards NO. Does it make it a tragic ACCIDENT? I'd have to say yes.
Are we gonna see more riots if there is an acquittal? Most definitely. Would we have seen them anyways? I'd say yes to that as well.
So what have we learned from all of this? Don't do drugs and maybe when you get detained by a law enforcement officer you won't act like a complete jackass that might end in a horrible tragedy (for you) and for everyone else involved.
John 14:6
I know the officer ACCUSED of murdering George hasn't got a friend in this world BUT I also think he wasn't entirely responsible for Floyds death if at all.
I had a good friend recently die of a Fentanyl overdose and it wasn't pretty. He was also a hell of a human being. One of those guys who'd give you the shirt off his back. George on the other hand............... Like I said. I didn't know the man. So I'll leave judgement to the Man upstairs. That's his realm.
We/Us we are Soldiers, Sailors, Marines, and Airmen/women. We don't judge we just deliver the accused. That's our jobs and we are good at it. Maybe the best on earth at it. But I digress.
So lets ASSUME................ George did die of a fentanyl overdose exacerbated by a knee on his neck. Does that make the officer in question solely responsible.............I'm gonna lean towards NO. Does it make it a tragic ACCIDENT? I'd have to say yes.
Are we gonna see more riots if there is an acquittal? Most definitely. Would we have seen them anyways? I'd say yes to that as well.
So what have we learned from all of this? Don't do drugs and maybe when you get detained by a law enforcement officer you won't act like a complete jackass that might end in a horrible tragedy (for you) and for everyone else involved.
John 14:6
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I feel like you should change your screen name to “J. McCarthy.” Much more suitable, less of an insult to a great comedy too.
While I feel sorry for the guy dying like that, George Floyd was no saint, and played a role in his own death.
The early claims that the officer knew him personally have died down. The new body cam footage clearly shows him saying he can't breaht/having a panic attack before he was on the ground. The media and many people are going out of their way to make it look like a white privilege, white supremacy homicide which it most definitely was not.
I blame poor training and inaction on the part of the other officers, combined with the fact that the suspect was chock full'o drugs...
The early claims that the officer knew him personally have died down. The new body cam footage clearly shows him saying he can't breaht/having a panic attack before he was on the ground. The media and many people are going out of their way to make it look like a white privilege, white supremacy homicide which it most definitely was not.
I blame poor training and inaction on the part of the other officers, combined with the fact that the suspect was chock full'o drugs...
Snopes...
I want to also point out how bad "Snopes" fact checking is... Some of the more colorful statements bolded. The page reads "partly false" instead of "mostly true" like it should.
Snopes Floyd Criminal Record
"That video, as well as misleading photographs, memes like the one displayed below, and sensationalized tabloid stories about Floyd’s past, prompted numerous inquiries to Snopes from people wondering if he had indeed served time in jail or prison before his death at age 46.
In brief, the alleged crimes and time periods are mostly accurate, with the caveat that Floyd was convicted of theft in 1998, not armed robbery. But the following information makes other aspects of the post misleading: Not all the crimes resulted in prison time, but rather jail sentences;
no evidence suggests a woman involved in the 2007 charge was pregnant; it’s an exaggeration of toxicology results to claim Floyd “was high on meth” when he was choked by a cop, and there’s no proof that Floyd was “getting ready to drive a car” before his fatal encounter with police other than the fact that officers say they approached him as he sat in the driver’s seat of a vehicle. "????
I want to also point out how bad "Snopes" fact checking is... Some of the more colorful statements bolded. The page reads "partly false" instead of "mostly true" like it should.
Snopes Floyd Criminal Record
"That video, as well as misleading photographs, memes like the one displayed below, and sensationalized tabloid stories about Floyd’s past, prompted numerous inquiries to Snopes from people wondering if he had indeed served time in jail or prison before his death at age 46.
In brief, the alleged crimes and time periods are mostly accurate, with the caveat that Floyd was convicted of theft in 1998, not armed robbery. But the following information makes other aspects of the post misleading: Not all the crimes resulted in prison time, but rather jail sentences;
no evidence suggests a woman involved in the 2007 charge was pregnant; it’s an exaggeration of toxicology results to claim Floyd “was high on meth” when he was choked by a cop, and there’s no proof that Floyd was “getting ready to drive a car” before his fatal encounter with police other than the fact that officers say they approached him as he sat in the driver’s seat of a vehicle. "????
Like they said, "no evidence"... until the body cam footage is released and he's literally sitting in a car driver's seat. He probably wasn't going to drive, driving from the steering wheel at the driver seat is a capitalist white supremacist construct. Who are we to say he would've driven high?
Dude was going to get a DU/WI, and booked anyway; taken from a Minneapolis Lawyer site about DUI's while not driving:
"While “driving” and “operating” are generally interpreted using their ordinary meanings, “physical control” is amorphous and is heavily dependent on the facts of each individual case. The jury instruction recommended by the Minnesota Supreme Court in State v. Duemke states that physical control is “being in a position to exercise dominion or control over the vehicle. Thus, a person [is] in physical control of a vehicle if he has the means to initiate any movement of that vehicle and he is in close proximity to the operating controls of the vehicle, and this is true whether the vehicle can be driven on the highway at that point or not.'"
Pretty ambiguous however, goes onto clarify later "intent" and/or past driving or future intention to drive:
"...The driver in State v. Juncewski decided to take a nap behind the wheel while parked with his keys in the ignition, and the appellate court found this constituted physical control.
To justify these somewhat outrageous rationales, the Minnesota Supreme Court has stated that physical control requires some evidence that the alleged driver “has or is about to take some action that makes the motor vehicle a source of danger to themselves, to others, or to property.”
and
"... court has reversed a conviction for an individual taking no steps toward driving the vehicle. In Shane v. Commissioner of Public Safety, the ignition was running, and an intoxicated individual was sitting in the passenger seat. This passenger leaned toward the steering wheel and touched the gas pedal. However, the passenger never moved to the driver’s seat, placed his hands on the steering wheel, nor shifted the stick shift..."
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Someone mentioned God earlier and His plan coming to fruition; it was going to be this or something else. There are plenty of incidents to choose from, and if media is good at anything it's exacerbating emotions and capitalizing on them. Like water, these particular people with grievances will penetrate any weakness in their opposition, and covert or drown the ones that can't swim.
As uneducated as I am; I still think it's important to note the similarities between what we're experiencing now and what happened to Russia early into the century and China in the 60's. I'll only name a couple things. First and most controversial being the similarity between the Kulak displacement and appropriation of their lands for Soviet use and the demonization of the "white man" which I'm using as a broad term for anyone that believes in American National Values regardless of race or religion or origin (Same way you'd say white hat and black hats in westerns). The 75+% of people that are consumer and producing peoples (Kulak equivalent).
The second thing I'll mention, according to wikipedia, there were at least 800k Red guard under Mao, I can't find a total figure. Even then it's safe to say it was a fraction of the population that caused the entire destruction of their heritage, which once their use had been fulfilled were dismantled by the PLA. Right now, we're seeing the galvanization of our youth and have-nots being used in the same manner; all the while the real benefactors bide their time. The talk is there; people calling for violence against Americans, it's dystopic- but we're repeating old patterns. Desensitization to carnal and base instincts (Onlyfans is an epidemic bruh), concentration of wealth, empty threats of punishment, State and "Expert-backed Science" becoming the new God essentially (Not Trump's state).
I find it funny that McCarthy was brought up for what I assume was a Red Scare reference, like BLM and associates didn't just fund and stage riots/protests all over the world simultaneously. Even in Japan, for Christ's sake. Racially homogeneous Japan lol. And if there hasn't been a leftoid slant and subversion going on throughout all levels of education.
It's cyclical. Like a low level Fermi Paradox Filter, many nations behind us have failed; FORTUNATELY, we have road maps for what happened. Or it could be none of that matters and it all happens anyway. I do believe to an extent the next stage of human social structure is for the world to be united; however perilous and fearsome that may be to opposing parties. It is important who leads it and what moral character they have to the degree that it will define Humanity's next step.
With all this pedo action (For and against), watch for a 2nd Weimar too; interesting times.
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