George Washington statue toppled by protesters in Portland, Oregon
Some people just want to see the world burn.
Some people just want to see the world burn.
National Protest and 'disband the cops' discussion (please review page 1)
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A worthwhile video to watch. This past week I feel like I am peeling back The Matrix -
The campaign also ran ads using the exact same copy text, but with stop signs and exclamation points.
Last I checked, those weren't ANTIFA symbols.
So if the Red Triangles were used as imagery because they represent ANTIFA(mostly outside the US it seems) why not also run ads with three arrows or the Red Flag Black Flag imagery? Both of those are much more used and recognized than a red triangle within the United States.
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Based on my internet research across reddit,4chan and the like The Boogaloo is a term for what many consider to be the inevitable war over gun control there is no overall political goal or agenda save don’t touch our guns it’s made up of everyone from Right wingers to Social anarchists. They are most likely to fight each other as well as the government. Antifa is mainly made up of people with the same ideological goals your not gonna see a right winger being Antifa but you would see a socialist spouting Boogaloo talk
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The relationship between civil disturbances and a lack of economic development years later is not always linear. The obstacles to development can center around the red tape of municipal code (like minimum parking requirements) and also to property owners biding their time until they can invest in a development that will yield a higher ROI.
Local opposition to development can be a matter of NIMBYism and/or concerns over gentrification.
This JRE podcast has the best analysis of the current situation.
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FWIW, an example of how the re-allocation of police funding could work.
Currently, a county in California has a parking problem that is impacting economic development. Because citations are issued by law enforcement, tickets can only be issued by sworn officers. As most of these officers have career aspirations beyond parking, the act of enforcement is not a priority.
Were funds reallocated, the enforcement could be handled at a lower cost to the county and likely be more effective. While the reallocation might mean fewer law enforcement FTEs in the short term, the increased pace of economic development would lead to more tax revenue and jobs for community members (and, arguably, less crime).
Currently, a county in California has a parking problem that is impacting economic development. Because citations are issued by law enforcement, tickets can only be issued by sworn officers. As most of these officers have career aspirations beyond parking, the act of enforcement is not a priority.
Were funds reallocated, the enforcement could be handled at a lower cost to the county and likely be more effective. While the reallocation might mean fewer law enforcement FTEs in the short term, the increased pace of economic development would lead to more tax revenue and jobs for community members (and, arguably, less crime).
And now the abolishment of the Toronto Police.
VIDEOS: Protesters Call For Abolishing Toronto Police
VIDEOS: Protesters Call For Abolishing Toronto Police
ThunderHorse
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Sorry, I wholly disagree. Significant swaths of Los Angeles got zero economic development for over a decade following the Rodney King riots. Companies don't come back. And guess who was the first company to go into many of these communities before the hippy coffee shops? WalMart. They bitched about WalMart because a certain segment of the media demonized WalMarts business practices. Even if there wasn't red tape, it would take a company years before they would return to a city that was burnt to a crisp.
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Talk about getting ratio'd. Some pretty funny responses in there
ThunderHorse
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Keep it classy Portland:
George Washington statue toppled by protesters in Portland, Oregon
Fuck these people, seriously. These people are not leading.
NY City Council Members Call for Thomas Jefferson Statue To Be Removed From City Hall
This current episode of the TimCast is intense. "The right has a line, the left doesn't."
George Washington statue toppled by protesters in Portland, Oregon
Fuck these people, seriously. These people are not leading.
NY City Council Members Call for Thomas Jefferson Statue To Be Removed From City Hall
This current episode of the TimCast is intense. "The right has a line, the left doesn't."
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Why do I care about what the UN thinks about this? Asking as a member, not as staff.
Is this a rhetorical question - or an HONEST question? 50 pages in and you ask this question? 3yrs of BLM, burning, rioting, protesting, Ferguson, well proven coordination, donations, websites, foundations, etc, etc... Where have you been?
15yrs SF may have made me too cynical but I'm one of those that doesn't believe that NO question is a DUMB question. This one ranks right on up there as unbelievably naive.
And WHAT IS IT that you do as SOF SUPPORT?
What is a fringe person?
The definition of fringe is someone or something at the edge. An example of fringe is someone who doesn't fit in with the mainstream culture but who is unconventional like punk rock or grunge. An example of fringe is the edge of the television reception area
YOU DECIDE:
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One of my Antifa friends posted this shortly after Floyd's death on social media. Seems useful to the discussion, so here it is.
"Evidently Hampton Roads has either forgotten, or never paid enough attention to organizers to learn in the first place, that #BlackLivesMatter757/BLM757 is run by a transphobic and misogynistic scammer who has worked with white supremacists (his logo used to feature the 3%ers symbol as well), had a Black woman arrested for calling him out, and threatened the lives and livelihoods of Black women. He has spent 3 years lying about his involvement in anti-fascist and anti-racist organizing and will pocket any money you give him. I have personally been burned by his lies and he threatened me too, but that's not the important thing here. I want you all to stay in the streets and keep fighting, but do NOT get taken in by this guy again! Don't give him any more credibility, headlines, or press (looking at you, Three Ships Coffee). He's dangerous and will escalate actions or switch sides to stand with the cops at will, whatever gets him more headlines. There are plenty of other organizers still in Hampton Roads and all over VA who will back me up on this."
- Casey Copeland
"Evidently Hampton Roads has either forgotten, or never paid enough attention to organizers to learn in the first place, that #BlackLivesMatter757/BLM757 is run by a transphobic and misogynistic scammer who has worked with white supremacists (his logo used to feature the 3%ers symbol as well), had a Black woman arrested for calling him out, and threatened the lives and livelihoods of Black women. He has spent 3 years lying about his involvement in anti-fascist and anti-racist organizing and will pocket any money you give him. I have personally been burned by his lies and he threatened me too, but that's not the important thing here. I want you all to stay in the streets and keep fighting, but do NOT get taken in by this guy again! Don't give him any more credibility, headlines, or press (looking at you, Three Ships Coffee). He's dangerous and will escalate actions or switch sides to stand with the cops at will, whatever gets him more headlines. There are plenty of other organizers still in Hampton Roads and all over VA who will back me up on this."
- Casey Copeland
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@Rabid Badger - not everyone dissects these pages post by post. @Cookie_ is a participating and vetted member of this board and he asked a question trying to get a better understanding of...all this.
And speaking of Vetted Members. @Rabid Badger , with all respect to your Green Tab, you sir are completely out of line in questioning what a VETTED SOF Support Member does or did to rate that membership category. You can be assured that the staff was confident enough in his credentials to assign him that Brown Tab.
You are completely out of line; what you just did is fucking bullshit.
I am escalating this to the Admins for further review, but I do have the ability to suspend your posting rights for a few days, so consider that done.
Unbelievable.
Everybody just chill the fuck out for a few days on this topic.
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I think a lot of the hyperbole in this piece of dialogue is unnecessary, because you both seem to be operating off one specific understanding of BLM while entertaining a false dilemma.
BLM is a organized movement that officially advocates for nonviolent civil disobedience in response to incidents of police brutality against black people in America. Additionally, its founders expressly and repeatedly advocate for nonviolent civil disobedience. It is important to start with this basic and unconflated description of BLM's self-definition and the strategy prescribed by its 'leaders' : nonviolent civil disobedience.
BLM also contains rhetoric in its description of the state and its behavior towards its black constituents that people (including some of its own members, not just agent provocateurs) have and continue to use as justification for violent retaliation. This should be acknowledged, but it is equally important not to unnecessarily conflate it with the movement as a whole or its advocacy of nonviolent action.
@Cookie_ 's question was not 'dumb' or 'naive', because BLM as an 'organized' movement operates on an extremely decentralized network, and it has no official hierarchy beyond the unifying message of its founders and whatever subgroups developed in their own communities. This means that any person or group of people can claim BLM membership, and deviations in what the founding leadership deemed to be appropriate responses to police brutality are bound to occur. The variance of some of these responses makes it extremely easy for a person to either extend the violent divergences from the nonviolence appeals of their national 'leaders' towards the entire movement (@Rabid Badger), or to question how unified its message is and whether it is, in fact, an organized movement with a united approach to resolving police brutality against black people (@Cookie_ ).
I find it helpful to assume the best intent in these discussions, particularly when it comes to questioning the sincerity of a person asking these questions (especially after they state so themselves, in @Ooh-Rah's case ), and even moreso within a community as mature and accomplished as this one. Let us continue to keep this forum (and 'Murca!) great by holding the standard.
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