National Protest and 'disband the cops' discussion (please review page 1)

RustyShackleford said:
And that is part of community policing or whatever they call it. You rotate guys out and staff it with guys who aren’t familiar, you have dudes who are on edge, treating everyone like a suspect. It’s not that different than handing off battlespace to a new unit.

The next time the FBI, DEA, or local drug task force do a large scale operation, watch the blotter first that area in the weeks following. The fight for power is phenomenal. There is never a plan in place to address the power vacuum or handle the petty crime that the local crew took care of.

I won’t go into Grossman other than saying I’m not fan. He’s in it for the money peddling his BS to anyone who will pay. Go to any cop convention where he’s speaking and you see a plethora of overweight cops wearing sheepdog or gruntstyle shirts.

As for fixing things, leaders in these agencies need to step up. LE needs to be part of the conversation, not excluded from it. How do you turn it off? Training + experience + maturity. Years ago I sat through a presentation by one of our chiefs who addressed some of this and I recognized a lot of the problems he talked about in myself. One of his solutions: decompress after work. Take 5/10/15 minutes or more when you get home. Take off the gun and the badge, change clothes, get that stink off you. Don’t bring the job home. Don’t identify as a cop. It’s what you do, not what you are. Have non LE related hobbies. Have friends who aren’t cops. I took a lot of that stuff to heart and it made me better at home and better at work.

I’m way different now than I was 15 years ago. For better or worse, the adrenaline dump isn’t there anymore, at least not like it used to be. Learn to treat people like humans. I’ve fought to get handcuffs on dudes an had them apologize to me after the fact. Why? Because I handled business and when it was over it was over. Hell, we hooked up a dude a few hrs ago who had been on the run for a couple years for a laundry list of crimes. After he asked if he could call his girl. The dudes deferred to me and I said yep. Why? Why not? Who does it hurt to let a dude make a call to family or have a smoke, or have a drink of cold water on a hot ass day? No one. You can be a dick, or not. You’re the one who has to live with yourself and look at yourself in the mirror every morning.
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The more I read this, the more gems I see. The bolded/italicized stuff, I say that all the time, to my coworkers, to my kids. "Your 'who' is more important than your 'do'". I saw this in the military, I saw it when I was a paramedic, I see it in nursing, and I saw it when I was on the PD tactical team with the cops. But to get there takes maturity and experience; it's largely a product of individual growth and mentoring.
 
Devildoc said:
Even if the cop is found innocent of criminal charges, there will be a civil lawsuit the magnitude of which will be of epic proportions.
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Yep. Minneapolis has been forking out some huge settlements lately and when we get to this one, they'll pale in comparison. They also need to worry about the fact that over 150 officers have filed for disability the past few weeks, citing PTSD. Combined with Covid and everything else, the city is about to take a huge financial kick in the ball sack.
 
Blizzard said:
Yep. Minneapolis has been forking out some huge settlements lately and when we get to this one, they'll pale in comparison. They also need to worry about the fact that over 150 officers have filed for disability the past few weeks, citing PTSD. Combined with Covid and everything else, the city is about to take a huge financial kick in the ball sack.
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Us Christians would say, Gal. 6: 7-9 (KJV) 7: Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.

Or, karma's a bitch.....
 
Blizzard said:
Yep. Minneapolis has been forking out some huge settlements lately and when we get to this one, they'll pale in comparison. They also need to worry about the fact that over 150 officers have filed for disability the past few weeks, citing PTSD. Combined with Covid and everything else, the city is about to take a huge financial kick in the ball sack.
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Devildoc said:
Us Christians would say, Gal. 6: 7-9 (KJV) 7: Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.

Or, karma's a bitch.....
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Problem is the useful idiots, who fed these flames, are gonna try and push the cost onto productive citizens. Only people getting shafted are local businesses and Joe/Jill, unless they band together and clean out MN's Marxist skewed political system they're boned.

ThunderHorse said:
Seriously.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1281604505017241601
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Ooh-Rah said:
Every SJW ever...

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I don't know about y'all, but I've moved on from open disgust to humorous cynicism. :ROFLMAO:

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Why is "all lives matter", especially from a civil servant, so hurtful or anti-black? I mean, all lives, would encompass black, no?
 
Ooh-Rah said:
Because “all lives” cannot matter until “black lives” matter.

At least that is what my enlightened nephew tells me.
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Yeah, we probably lost a couple of friends because their daughter went all SJW on FB.
Her contribution: I call people out.
My response, whoop de do, FB posts don't mean shit. Sponsor a disadvantaged youth at your work.
Unfriended, and blocked.
Oh well, derka derka.
 
Kaldak said:
Why is "all lives matter", especially from a civil servant, so hurtful or anti-black? I mean, all lives, would encompass black, no?
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If you want an honest answer, it's because #ALM is not philosophically grounded. It is, in essence, a reactionary movement only in response to BLM. This makes it seem not genuine. In other words, there is nothing grounding All Lives Matter if Black Lives Matter were to disappear tomorrow. If BLM is gone, ALM would disappear. Weird! (This isn't necessarily true, but is my intuition).

Notice here how this is very different from the capitalism vs socialism fight. Neither is necessarily reactionary. That is, both have solid philosophical grounds on which to stand. Both can be advocated for without necessarily invoking the other.

Imagine if there as an organization that is calling for the proper care of treatment for Army Rangers after a combat injury--Ranger Lives Matter. Then some Air Force guy takes offense to this and says well "All Military Matter"!!!!!!! Of course, Rangers aren't saying only Rangers matter, that would be dumb and a straw-man. We are just calling for the proper treatment of Rangers after combat injuries. That doesn't mean other people shouldn't start organizations to help drone operators with their PTSD. It would, however, be weird to adopt the slogan Drone Operator Lives Matter but only after Ranger Lives Matter exists. On my intuition this seemingly reactionary slogan makes it seem less genuine and in good faith.

I'm not here to play team red or blue. I don't care. I'm just trying to explain how #ALM as a slogan has bad optics for a civil servant without invoking "you can't care about all lives until you care about black lives". Hopefully, I have done that here.
 

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