National Protest and 'disband the cops' discussion (please review page 1)

So glad they included all the litigants names, phone numbers, email addresses, and companies for the FBI racketeering charge. When the "litigants" burn their places of business down, harass the owners, or defame the owners in any way, well.......The FEEB's have the list as a starting point... 8-) :sneaky:
 
Daily Mail go their hands on the Body Cam footage. Just like with hands up don't shoot, I can't breathe as portrayed is a lie. Watching it, he was saying I can't breath multiple times well before he was on the ground. He resisted arrest during that process.
 
Ooh-Rah said:
The dude died after being subdued and with 4 officers there, could have easily been cuffed and stuffed.

I'm giving BLM this one.
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Chauvin is going to prison (no argument from me), but not for murder 2. Defense will definitely argue he thought Floyd was lying.

The other guys? Charging them was probably a dumb idea.
 
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They could walk if they were "over charged" (probably not a legal term). Casey Anthony walked in part because the prosecution charged her with murder 1 thus setting an impossibly high bar. Chauvin could take a murder 2 charge, but if it is ultimately manslaughter he walks unles he takes a plea deal. Plus, the longer the delay, the better it is for the accused. Emotion will burn off and leave everyone with a sober reality and that could backfire on the prosecution,
 
He would be alive today had he just followed directions. For those in their 50's or older, do u remember being told what to do and how to behave if pulled over by the police? Remember learning how to write a check? I believe I learned b4 high school. I'm not proud of it I have had numerous interactions with the police. Way back from the time I was 16. Lots of DUI's. B4 I could buy alcohol, 3 then 4th. Took chances and drove to work with no licenses for 16 yrs. Was never suppose to get em back. But I did. Anyway never hurt anyone luckily. But every interaction. Was and still today would be. Yes sir, sorry sir, you got me sir. Dammit sir.I screwed up lets go sir".
There's a speed trap on Perth Rd around Lake Norman, NC. Kyle Busch was caught doing like 125 in a 45. I was coming back from Winston-Salem. Perth is a little short cut off 77 to 150 and avoids Mooresville. I crested a hill bam NC Trooper had me. He said 64 n a 45. I knew I was caught he turned on his blue lights and I bout locked it down. Immediately backed up to him with flashers and interior light on. Hands up and out the window. He just walked across the 2 lane road.. I asked with a smile. How bout a warning he explained he clocked 64 he seen my truck react and my 3rd light iluminat the bed b4 his radar read so he guessed I was 70 or more and just couldn't let it slide. But since he did not have to chase me he reduced my speed and said if I paid court cost b4 trial date I didn't have to show up. I don't think parents or the schools are teaching what I learned at a young age. (Right from wrong) (respect) (all lives matter). Yes sir no sir do what the cops say and you'll live. Go to court. Take your punishment.LIVE. grow up and contribute. Sorry for dragging it out.
 
n Awe of Y'all said:
He would be alive today had he just followed directions. For those in their 50's or older, do u remember being told what to do and how to behave if pulled over by the police? Remember learning how to write a check? I believe I learned b4 high school. I'm not proud of it I have had numerous interactions with the police. Way back from the time I was 16. Lots of DUI's. B4 I could buy alcohol, 3 then 4th. Took chances and drove to work with no licenses for 16 yrs. Was never suppose to get em back. But I did. Anyway never hurt anyone luckily. But every interaction. Was and still today would be. Yes sir, sorry sir, you got me sir. Dammit sir.I screwed up lets go sir".
There's a speed trap on Perth Rd around Lake Norman, NC. Kyle Busch was caught doing like 125 in a 45. I was coming back from Winston-Salem. Perth is a little short cut off 77 to 150 and avoids Mooresville. I crested a hill bam NC Trooper had me. He said 64 n a 45. I knew I was caught he turned on his blue lights and I bout locked it down. Immediately backed up to him with flashers and interior light on. Hands up and out the window. He just walked across the 2 lane road.. I asked with a smile. How bout a warning he explained he clocked 64 he seen my truck react and my 3rd light iluminat the bed b4 his radar read so he guessed I was 70 or more and just couldn't let it slide. But since he did not have to chase me he reduced my speed and said if I paid court cost b4 trial date I didn't have to show up. I don't think parents or the schools are teaching what I learned at a young age. (Right from wrong) (respect) (all lives matter). Yes sir no sir do what the cops say and you'll live. Go to court. Take your punishment.LIVE. grow up and contribute. Sorry for dragging it out.
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Yea man, gonna disagree.

"Following directions" doesn't forgive three cops kneeling on that man while he died.
 
Ooh-Rah said:
The dude died after being subdued and with 4 officers there, could have easily been cuffed and stuffed.

I'm giving BLM this one.
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I dunno man. One would be surprised how strong a non compliant person can be, especially when they're hyped up on stimulants and adrenaline. Odd moment in my life was me and two other guys carrying/dragging/pulling a non-compliant, and non-restrained, addict/psych patient into a police paddy wagon. It was like something outta the exorcist.

Iraq I could've konked the dude, zip tied him, put a bag over his head, and loaded him onto the truck... here not so much.
 
n Awe of Y'all said:
He would be alive today had he just followed directions. For those in their 50's or older, do u remember being told what to do and how to behave if pulled over by the police? Remember learning how to write a check? I believe I learned b4 high school. I'm not proud of it I have had numerous interactions with the police. Way back from the time I was 16. Lots of DUI's. B4 I could buy alcohol, 3 then 4th. Took chances and drove to work with no licenses for 16 yrs. Was never suppose to get em back. But I did. Anyway never hurt anyone luckily. But every interaction. Was and still today would be. Yes sir, sorry sir, you got me sir. Dammit sir.I screwed up lets go sir".
There's a speed trap on Perth Rd around Lake Norman, NC. Kyle Busch was caught doing like 125 in a 45. I was coming back from Winston-Salem. Perth is a little short cut off 77 to 150 and avoids Mooresville. I crested a hill bam NC Trooper had me. He said 64 n a 45. I knew I was caught he turned on his blue lights and I bout locked it down. Immediately backed up to him with flashers and interior light on. Hands up and out the window. He just walked across the 2 lane road.. I asked with a smile. How bout a warning he explained he clocked 64 he seen my truck react and my 3rd light iluminat the bed b4 his radar read so he guessed I was 70 or more and just couldn't let it slide. But since he did not have to chase me he reduced my speed and said if I paid court cost b4 trial date I didn't have to show up. I don't think parents or the schools are teaching what I learned at a young age. (Right from wrong) (respect) (all lives matter). Yes sir no sir do what the cops say and you'll live. Go to court. Take your punishment.LIVE. grow up and contribute. Sorry for dragging it out.
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There are numerous videos that have been released just in the last few years of people who have been killed by police even after following their directions. But as @Cookie_ said, cops shouldn’t be kneeling on a guy’s neck for 9 minutes.
 
Salt USMC said:
There are numerous videos that have been released just in the last few years of people who have been killed by police even after following their directions. But as @Cookie_ said, cops shouldn’t be kneeling on a guy’s neck for 9 minutes.
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But does it constitute murder? There's absolutely nothing in anything I've seen so far that convinces me that type of charge is warranted.

What I see, are officers that, rightfully, believed the person they had in custody was under the influence of something. Floyd is complaining about breathing before he's placed on the ground or anyone kneels on him. He's concious and talking for several minutes while Chauvin kneels on him - and they wait for EMS! Chauvin's comments indicate he believes Floyd was not under any real duress from the restraint.

To me, I see training issues but no willful intent. Murder seems like an awfully big stretch, despite what an irrational BLM crowd says.

FWIW, the fact the media not only chose to air an illegally obtained video about an incident currently in trial, but edited it, speaks to their complete lack of ethics. This is how you get a mistrial.
 
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The guy starts begging the officer not to shoot him right off the bat before he's out of the car. He's being dramatic because he's in trouble and he's high... Maybe he resisted, maybe for several minutes. Who cares? Four cops should be able to subdue and capture him in the cruiser while EMS comes, there's no tactical reason for kneeling on anyone's neck for more than the time it takes to put on cuffs, in any situation.
 
Dvr55119 said:
I mean there is photographic evidence. View attachment 35114
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Helpful, thanks. Been a lot of shit going on since then so hard to remember everything.

BlackSmokeRisinG said:
The guy starts begging the officer not to shoot him right off the bat before he's out of the car. He's being dramatic because he's in trouble and he's high... Maybe he resisted, maybe for several minutes. Who cares? Four cops should be able to subdue and capture him in the cruiser while EMS comes, there's no tactical reason for kneeling on anyone's neck for more than the time it takes to put on cuffs, in any situation.
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As you can see in the video there is a significant size disparity between Floyd and all of the officers involved. Why are there four officers? Because two of those guys are rookies with two training officers.

Based on the footage I'm a bit impressed that they didn't use a taser. They didn't escalate. Given how high he was, not sure that would have done anything. Obviously all those dudes kneeling on him, the intent is to get him to calm down. What we're missing still is how he forced himself out of the car.

The more evidence comes out, the less cut and dry this becomes.
 
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BlackSmokeRisinG said:
The guy starts begging the officer not to shoot him right off the bat before he's out of the car. He's being dramatic because he's in trouble and he's high... Maybe he resisted, maybe for several minutes. Who cares? Four cops should be able to subdue and capture him in the cruiser while EMS comes, there's no tactical reason for kneeling on anyone's neck for more than the time it takes to put on cuffs, in any situation.
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Remember, they pulled him out of the squad because he was banging his head on the window.
 
ThunderHorse said:
Given how high he was, not sure that would have done anything.
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Has this been proven as fact (that he was high)? I do not recall reading about that here. Possible that I missed it, but I think it is important to be 100% on that claim.
 

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