Can you elaborate on why It doesn’t matter? I really want to agree with you but I’m always wary of high fiving someone without knowing what I’m high fiving.
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Why, because they were found guilty in a court of law by a judge and/or jury of their peers in order to be sentenced and incarcerated?
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If that were indeed the case (at least in others' minds), you'd wouldn't find posters spending two of the last four pages performing all kinds of logical somersaults to hamfistedly reframe the supposedly trivial 'jail' corrections to the meme back into nonexistent prison sentences.
Excellent video and NOT conservative AT ALL if you ignore the shirt and hat. The lawyers in the case for each officer will mosdef run with every sentence he said for months on end.
I've had to inquire with the TDC in Harris County multiple times about my daughters ex-boyfriend and the father of my Grandson. He served TIME in the TDC for MULTIPLE felonies over the last decade, AG ASSAULT, AG ASSAULT FELON W/FIREARM, DIST OF CONTR SUBST, = etc...etc...HE KEEPS GETTING OUT.
The "gangstas" in Travis County and Harris County surrounding Houston Tx call the TDC - SCHOOL.
Let's go with we're all just fucking tired. His post isn't combative. No more, no less. It's just a post.
Back to the show!
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You're Grandson is really lucky to have you.
Edited to add: Thats crazy about the multiple felonies/keep getting out. I was looking at habitual offender laws in Louisiana, and that guy would have been done on the 4th conviction. They've got the opposite problem in Louisiana.
Ok. So this was the initial autopsy report by the County. And that's County not Parish or Borough, because those distinctions matter.
Now a second private autopsy was performed, and when those results were released people went APE SHIT, because that's when the death by asphyxiation from restraint was announced, which was absent from the County's record. That was one of the big sparks that caused even more uproar, because it looked like a police cover up. There was another big issue with the case I can't recall.
So, in this trial, I have no idea, but are they going to be able to use both autopsies, the defense and the prosecution??? I used to watch CSI, but I've also been watching Project Innocence and docs about junk science in court cases. I'd like to see how they determine asphyxiation medically, yet missed it on the first go round.
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Spit-balling here, but maybe they didn't miss it? Maybe they had a conclusion, and found evidence to support the conclusion? Could be true for either side.
The defense will use the state's autopsy (county med examiners work for the state); the prosecution will use the private one, and each will have expert witnesses to attempt to destroy the credibility of the other. The prosecution is going for murder, and the defense will go for reasonable doubt.
And I'm going for a shitshow of a trial. Casey Anthony, George Zimmerman...they won't hold a candle to that madness.
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Conpiracy theory time (no, I don't believe this), but the riots are orchestrated by people who would be implicated in the Epstein sex scandal. If we focus on BLM and not burning cities, we won't notice when Maxwell doesn't kill herself.
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To be clear, there is only one official autopsy and it was performed by the Hennepin County Medical Examiner. The HC ME released both a preliminary and a final report. The final report was posted a couple times earlier in this thread.
The Hennepin County ME is independent body that answers only to the county board. Dr. Andrew Baker, the ME, is reportedly well respected and recently earned overwhelming support from the board during his reappointment, even after Floyd's results were released. The National Association of Medical Examiners, of which Baker has served as president, released a statement shortly after his findings were made public in which they stated, in part, he is “one of the most highly regarded and esteemed forensic pathologists in the United States ... known for his expertise and integrity.”
Separately, Floyd's family attorney commissioned to have their own private, independent autopsy performed. This was done after the preliminary autopsy report from the country was released. They selected the examiner and hired a guy that also performed a private autopsy on Eric Garner. They released their findings just prior to the Hennepin County ME's final report. While some may continue to reference this privately funded report, perhaps even the prosecution will make reference it during the trial (they are under no obligation to introduce it during the trial) it cannot be considered neutral or unbiased. Although, interestingly, if introduced to evidence, some argue it may provide ammunition for the defense:
Floyd family autopsy could help accused policeman's defense, legal experts say
Neither report had any impact on rioting or protests; people went ape shit as soon as the video started circulating the night Floyd died.
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It doesn't matter how much of a piece of crap the subject is, the person died in police custody in a controversial way, or believed controversial way. It matters to people like all of us, who look at the facts, but the people who are enraged about this and the politicians using it for political power....it never matters.
The only time law enforcement has survived this initial level of outcry, is when there is video of the incident and the video shows the subject doing something the public can't argue....for example, body camera shows the subject clearly pointing a gun at an officer and officer shoots.....and even then....fify
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So legally, the only autopsy that matters is the County one? Is that set in legal precedent or what? Because somebody's got to be wrong. They both explicitly state different outcomes.
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There aren't parishes or boroughs in Minnesota. Legally speaking 48 states divide into counties. Only Alaska has Boroughs which are the equivalent of Counties and only Louisiana has Parishes which are also the equivalent of counties. Most municipalities do not have separate ME's from the county. Minneapolis doesn't have a separate Medical Examiner and the Medical Examiner who has jurisdiction over Minneapolis is the Hennepin County ME.
There was a private autopsy done, which is where people probably went apeshit. But it's gonna get real funky if the prosecution team admits that into evidence because it is not evidence of the State.
ETA: Back to the actual riots. The Cook County DA, who failed to prosecute Jussi Smollett, Kim Foxx is refusing to prosecute any rioters. Something along the lines of the presumption of dismissal. The Chicago FOP President has previously written letters to the POTUS requesting help. This week he delivered a letter to the US Attorney for Chicago John Lausch requesting help.
Chicago looters must be prosecuted for actions, FOP president says; Catanzara appeals to feds, saying Foxx too soft on crime
The DA for Multnomah County (Portland, Ore) Mike Schmidt is basically doing the same shit and just releasing guys the next day.
Multnomah County DA will not prosecute cases where most serious charge is city ordinance violation
Charges that will be dropped include:
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Amphetamines are regularly prescribed to patients for a wide variety of issues, as was pointed out by others.
I already posted a link to a study that explains how the post-mortem levels of fentanyl and norfentanyl are not correlated to doses, or therapeutic levels of drug dosing. So the 11ng/ml is likely not indicative of the amount of fentanyl in the patients system at the time of his death. The levels for amphetamine were below what would be considered a therapeutic dose in medicine, so I do not believe he was actively very high on amphetamines either.
All I was bringing up was that it is extremely unlikely that Floyd OD'd on narcotics. That isn't what the medical examiner found, nor do his actions prior to his death support the claim. The levels in his system for all of the drugs apart from marijuana were low. I do doubt that he had a script for any kind of amphetamine, given his heart failure (a disease), but crazier things have happened. The other drugs all could have been prescribed or are legal (marijuana in Minnesota, Fentanyl in various doses and routes of administration, nicotine, and caffeine). I don't have access to his medical records, but I do not know if anyone does/should. Jumping to conclusions about a persons actions, intentions or background based off a metabolite study that shows things that I can find in the screenings of some of my best friends who are former SOF (medical marijuana, amphetamines (adderal) and opiates, all or most of which is prescribed by the VA) is not a good way to go about this discussion in my personal opinion.
My professional opinion is that he did not look like a patient OD'ing. That was the claim I addressed. I'm not going to speculate on whether he was subjectively acting high as a stunt kite, but the levels in his system do not indicate that he objectively was as high as a stunt kite.
The medical examiner did rule this a homicide did they not? Are they in the habit of ruling overdoses homicides?
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There is only one official autopsy which notes the cause of death and is denoted on the death certificate. In this case, that is the Hennepin County Medical Examiner.
People can always request to have an independent autopsy at their own expense. They may do so for a variety of reasons. In this case, I expect it was primarily done for a couple reasons:
1. The family and their attorney didn't like the MEs results; they likely want someone who will provide a result that aligns with their views.
2. They want to use their own results in a civil suit that is sure to follow
Bottom line: There is only ONE official autopsy. It's really the only one that really matters and is likely the only one to be entered as evidence.
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The family had requested their own autopsy prior to the release of the ME.
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