National Protest and 'disband the cops' discussion (please review page 1)

Ooh-Rah said:
We have homeless encampments that pop up in city parks and open corners. People protest like crazy when the city attempts to move them out.
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Austin voters made their city a homeless encampment, and then the Latte Liberals got really tired and voted to make camping in the city limits illegal. Funny.
 
Latte liberalism is just "we like to feel good about ourselves but don't want to be inconvenienced" politics.

Attacking homelessness (from my viewpoint) requires actually investing money into drug treatment programs, mental health facilities, temporary public housing, and job skills/placement programs.
It's a lot easier to say "we dont hate the homeless, but they're criminals when they are camping in city limits, so we don't have to help them."
 
Cookie_ said:
Latte liberalism is just "we like to feel good about ourselves but don't want to be inconvenienced" politics.

Attacking homelessness (from my viewpoint) requires actually investing money into drug treatment programs, mental health facilities, temporary public housing, and job skills/placement programs.
It's a lot easier to say "we dont hate the homeless, but they're criminals when they are camping in city limits, so we don't have to help them."
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Nah, brah, you're overthinking it. Just need good public transportation to bus them to the next juries over.

In all seriousness, yes, it's multimodal and requires money and commitment.

The bussing over next door though? Next town over did that.
 
Devildoc said:
Nah, brah, you're overthinking it. Just need good public transportation to bus them to the next juries over.

In all seriousness, yes, it's multimodal and requires money and commitment.

The bussing over next door though? Next town over did that.
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I'm not surprised. I know that's been a thing in Cali, LA area in particular, for a while now.
Richer zip codes literally bus the homeless to poorer zip codes that don't have the money to provide resources.
 
Cookie_ said:
Latte liberalism is just "we like to feel good about ourselves but don't want to be inconvenienced" politics.

Attacking homelessness (from my viewpoint) requires actually investing money into drug treatment programs, mental health facilities, temporary public housing, and job skills/placement programs.
It's a lot easier to say "we dont hate the homeless, but they're criminals when they are camping in city limits, so we don't have to help them."
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Ironically that's the solution to so many of America and Canada's problems, including gun violence.
 
Cookie_ said:
Latte liberalism is just "we like to feel good about ourselves but don't want to be inconvenienced" politics.

Attacking homelessness (from my viewpoint) requires actually investing money into drug treatment programs, mental health facilities, temporary public housing, and job skills/placement programs.
It's a lot easier to say "we dont hate the homeless, but they're criminals when they are camping in city limits, so we don't have to help them."
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Why would Irvine want Homeless encampment when LA is giving away hotel rooms for free and continuously wasting more taxpayer dollars to combat the issue. I need to find it, but there's a study that shows the more money is spent on the homeless problem, the worse it grows.

But then we have the random trash where an apartment complex will increase the rent by 50% forcing out a ten year resident who's disabled and on a fixed income. Don't even need empathy, bean counters need to just have a brain.
 
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ThunderHorse said:
Why would Irvine want Homeless encampment when LA is giving away hotel rooms for free and continuously wasting more taxpayer dollars to combat the issue. I need to find it, but there's a study that shows the more money is spent on the homeless problem, the worse it grows.

But then we have the random trash where an apartment complex will increase the rest by 50% forcing out a ten year resident who's disabled and on a fixed income. Don't even need empathy, bean counters need to just have a brain.
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Simply, homelessness is now a profitable government business model; we see it here. Governments offer grants to "non-profits" and the more they grow, the more they employ. All it does is waste tax dollars on sub par services that never fix the problems.
 
ThunderHorse said:
Why would Irvine want Homeless encampment when LA is giving away hotel rooms for free and continuously wasting more taxpayer dollars to combat the issue. I need to find it, but there's a study that shows the more money is spent on the homeless problem, the worse it grows.

But then we have the random trash where an apartment complex will increase the rest by 50% forcing out a ten year resident who's disabled and on a fixed income. Don't even need empathy, bean counters need to just have a brain.
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I think I've seen the study you're referencing, or at least a similar one that looked at California.

The one I remember found that as cities focused on a "housing first" model to combat homelessness, they wound up spending more money over time because the programs aren't effective in the long term. Again, Latte liberalism says "if they have a place to live, they aren't homeless! Job done!".

A large portion of the homeless problem is tied to mental health/addiction issues, or education/housing markets being dogshit.

The stat is a year or so old, but I do remember that roughly 20%-25% of the people living in the homeless shelters here actually had full time jobs, but they can't afford a place to live because of the market. Every attempt to build more multi unit housing that's affordable gets shot down, but it'd be super helpful to balance the market out. Our cost of living is starting to surpass Denver.
 
Cookie_ said:
I think I've seen the study you're referencing, or at least a similar one that looked at California.

The one I remember found that as cities focused on a "housing first" model to combat homelessness, they wound up spending more money over time because the programs aren't effective in the long term. Again, Latte liberalism says "if they have a place to live, they aren't homeless! Job done!".

A large portion of the homeless problem is tied to mental health/addiction issues, or education/housing markets being dogshit.

The stat is a year or so old, but I do remember that roughly 20%-25% of the people living in the homeless shelters here actually had full time jobs, but they can't afford a place to live because of the market. Every attempt to build more multi unit housing that's affordable gets shot down, but it'd be super helpful to balance the market out. Our cost of living is starting to surpass Denver.
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That's where we are at with housing needs. Small town's and rural area's that never saw a single homeless person, are now dealing with multiple encampments. A large portion of them are working, single parents and families; that just can't afford the housing available. All because those latte liberals moved from big cities during the pandemic, making a fortune off their home sales and driving home prices here astronomically.
 
Marauder06 said:
Not an exact match for this thread, but didn't want to start a new one:

California sheriff 'infuriated' by release of drug traffickers caught with 150,000 fentanyl pills

To sum up, California cops busted drug traffickers with 150,000 fentanyl pills. The judge in the case ordered them released without bail prior to trial. 1) released??? 2) without bail??? 3) without informing the arresting department??

Wow.
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Not to take this lightly...but maybe the Judge should look around to see who votes in their community. Because shit like won't be tolerated by the good people of Tulare. I suspect the Sheriff will be filing a bar complaint against the Judge.

But hey, liberals wanted bail reform and shit. Well bail reform just means more criminals on the street. 🤷‍♂️
 
Devildoc said:
Coming to a city near me:

In Durham, unarmed responders will answer 911 calls for those having a mental health crisis :: WRAL.com

Do I think this can work? IF the call screener and telecommunicator input is thorough enough, IF they can semi-guarantee LE back-up, IF they can ensure safety for both the responder as well as the caller, then yes.
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They supposedly implemented this a year ago in Minneapolis. Complete failure by all measures so far. Aside for a bumbled rollout, they're often not available during times of need. I've seen reports of call for service only to have officers be told the "social workers" don't start until 9am. Or none are available, etc.

It's simply another program introduced by the good idea fairy, who's brainchilds aren't truly grounded in logic or reality.
 
Devildoc said:
Coming to a city near me:

In Durham, unarmed responders will answer 911 calls for those having a mental health crisis :: WRAL.com

Do I think this can work? IF the call screener and telecommunicator input is thorough enough, IF they can semi-guarantee LE back-up, IF they can ensure safety for both the responder as well as the caller, then yes.
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Too many “ifs” for me. The biggest “if” is the unpredictability of people in the midst of an emotional or mental crisis. 0 to 60 in a cocaine heartbeat.
 
Marauder06 said:
Not an exact match for this thread, but didn't want to start a new one:

California sheriff 'infuriated' by release of drug traffickers caught with 150,000 fentanyl pills

To sum up, California cops busted drug traffickers with 150,000 fentanyl pills. The judge in the case ordered them released without bail prior to trial. 1) released??? 2) without bail??? 3) without informing the arresting department??

Wow.
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ThunderHorse said:
Not to take this lightly...but maybe the Judge should look around to see who votes in their community. Because shit like won't be tolerated by the good people of Tulare. I suspect the Sheriff will be filing a bar complaint against the Judge.

But hey, liberals wanted bail reform and shit. Well bail reform just means more criminals on the street. 🤷‍♂️
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Y'all ever wonder who funds the political campaigns of these 'activist' judges? Might be the tinfoil, but pretty sure we've been seeing a lot of dangerous social elements being released into society by bureaucrats, who seem to share very similar social circles.
 
R.Caerbannog said:
Y'all ever wonder who funds the political campaigns of these 'activist' judges? Might be the tinfoil, but pretty sure we've been seeing a lot of dangerous social elements being released into society by bureaucrats, who seem to share very similar social circles.
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Judges in California are appointees. And uh since we haven't really had a Republican in forever...I know what ilk they belong to.
 
ThunderHorse said:
Judges in California are appointees. And uh since we haven't really had a Republican in forever...I know what ilk they belong to.
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Oh agreed, the cat is very much outta the bag there. I was just putting out that if anyone did a kinship or social diagram on these people, it would be interesting to see who else might turn up.

I think the decay we're seeing California has deeper roots, than just the homegrown useful idiots in the state and DC.
 
Devildoc said:
Coming to a city near me:

In Durham, unarmed responders will answer 911 calls for those having a mental health crisis :: WRAL.com

Do I think this can work? IF the call screener and telecommunicator input is thorough enough, IF they can semi-guarantee LE back-up, IF they can ensure safety for both the responder as well as the caller, then yes.
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I spoke with a British social worker who told me that she is the first responder to calls like this, though there is a cop there. She does the knocking and the talking, the cop is just her backup if things go sideways. I can see value in it if done properly, but it still raises my eyebrows.
 

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