National Protest and 'disband the cops' discussion (please review page 1)

[Gunz]

We’re soldiers. We have to do risky stuff. We know that going in. Cops need to know that, too. Sometimes you have to expose yourself to danger to get the job done. Just like a firefight. Sometimes you have to expose yourself in order to get your rounds on target. Chances have to be taken. You suck it up because it goes with the job.

@JedisonsDad I get what you’re saying, sir. It’s a matter of interpretation. I just think the cops in this situation should’ve closed in and take the risk of a knife wound.

 

[Kraut783]

"My point is, being a cop is a risky job. You accept that when you take the oath. But if you're so risk averse you're going to just gun down every threat--even if it's running away--then you shouldn't be a cop. Have the balls to take a few risks."

This is so true.....the new "generation" are very quick to go guns....to the point we are having to train back to de-escalation...freaking talking to people....you old timers will remember the training "Verbal Judo". It seems like no one goes hands on anymore....or talks the situation down.

I'm generalizing of course....but, it seems truer overall. For example, I don't know how many times I had responded to a business alarm, arrive and see glass down and go in. Now, it's pull back, surround, slow search....sure, it's safer, but you can't do that for every burglary call.

Sorry, rant over.

 

[Ooh-Rah]

- VIDEO -

I have lost track of the times I have referenced this movie over the past few years.

 

[policemedic]

I couldn't agree with this more.

This situation with stumpy reminds me of the one in AZ(?) a few years back.

Dude In a motorized wheelchair stole something from a store and was riding around with a knife.

Cop shot him in the back (with civilians in the line of fire) because the knife was a deadly weapon.

Like fuck dude, put a stick in his tires or tip his wheelchair over first. Dude doesn't exactly have the mobility advantage.

Let me first say I have not seen the video of the wheelchair dude.

That said, this falls into the category of what we call ‘lawful but awful’.

I’m OK with the police killing anyone who needs killing. I’m not OK with using a legal technicality to justify lethal force when other options were available.

On another note, this is why every officer should have access to less than lethal tools like 40mm launchers with impact rounds or beanbag shotguns.

 

[Locksteady]

Let me first say I have not seen the video of the wheelchair dude.

That said, this falls into the category of what we call ‘lawful but awful’.

I’m OK with the police killing anyone who needs killing. I’m not OK with using a legal technicality to justify lethal force when other options were available.

On another note, this is why every officer should have access to less than lethal tools like 40mm launchers with impact rounds or beanbag shotguns.

Agreed and Agreed.

 

[ThunderHorse]

At some point I want some "No Justice, No Peace" protesting because crime has actually gotten out of control. But wondering how many have to be murdered before that happens.

Person Of Color Runs Over Doctor, Then Stabs Him To Death Over 'White Privilege': Witness

 

[Muppet]

Former CAG guy on Rittenhouse, year, it's a year old but priceless, nonetheless.

 

[Muppet]

At some point I want some "No Justice, No Peace" protesting because crime has actually gotten out of control. But wondering how many have to be murdered before that happens.

Person Of Color Runs Over Doctor, Then Stabs Him To Death Over 'White Privilege': Witness

Crickets. Does not fit race baiting agenda.

Oh, ban cars and knives.

Imagine, just imagine if this were reversed. Fucking shame no matter who it is, innocent folks don't deserve this but, if this were reversed, the cities would burn..... again.

 

[DA SWO]

Crickets. Does not fit race baiting agenda.

Oh, ban cars and knives.

Imagine, just imagine if this were reversed. Fucking shame no matter who it is, innocent folks don't deserve this but, if this were reversed, the cities would burn..... again.

Nothing will happen because Liberal Whites (looking at you Antifa) don't care.

 

[ThunderHorse]

Crickets. Does not fit race baiting agenda.

Oh, ban cars and knives.

Imagine, just imagine if this were reversed. Fucking shame no matter who it is, innocent folks don't deserve this but, if this were reversed, the cities would burn..... again.

Really good example of what happens if it's a minority was the Ahmaud Arbery killing. Although I have to say he's been forgotten but they still somehow celebrate St Floyd.

 

[Muppet]

At least the cops were not cowards like Uvalde and Parkland.

Maybe phones need to be banned, huh?

 

[ThunderHorse]

Yolo...

More than 300 undercover Los Angeles police officers filed legal claims against the city and police department Tuesday after their names and photographs were released to a technology watchdog group that posted them online. https://t.co/FtfCry0flk

— The Associated Press (@AP) April 5, 2023

 

[BlackSmokeRisinG]

Don't know where else to post this, I searched and found nothing. The Army sergeant that killed the protester with an AK in downtown Austin back in 2020 was just convicted.

I didn't even know this trial was going on, caught this story today. There wasn't a lot of details about the trial in the papers but I watched a YouTube video showing a legal breakdown on a local Austin channel.

It turns out this guy Daniel Perry had a few texts talking about shooting looters or killing protesters outside his building, don't know if it was a joke, personal texts, or whatever but it does look bad in light of what eventually happened.

I for one don't care and hope he does get pardoned by Greg Abbot. Most of us know this is also a hatchet job by this Soros backed DA.

Army SGT. Convicted of Killing BLM Protester in Austin

 

[Cookie_]

It doesn't have shit to do with a "Soros-backed" DA, because the DA isn't part of the jury.

How'd a bunch of Texans decide this dude was guilty, even though Texas has strong stand your ground laws?

Maybe because the dude legit had a plan for how he wanted to get away with it.

In addition, Perry speculated about how he might get away with such a killing – by claiming self-defense, as he is now doing. Prosecutors presented a Facebook Messenger chat between Perry and a friend, Michael Holcomb, which occurred two weeks before he shot Foster. In it, Perry argued that shooting protesters was legal if it was in self-defense. Holcomb, who was called to the stand Wednesday afternoon, seemed to try to talk Perry down. "Aren't you a CDL holder too?" he asked, referring to the men's licenses to carry concealed handguns. "We went through the same training ... Shooting after creating an event where you have to shoot, is not a good shoot."

“Might Have to Kill a Few People”


It's not a good shoot, no matter how you slice it.

 

[ThunderHorse]

It doesn't have shit to do with a "Soros-backed" DA, because the DA isn't part of the jury.

How'd a bunch of Texans decide this dude was guilty, even though Texas has strong stand your ground laws?

Maybe because the dude legit had a plan for how he wanted to get away with it.


“Might Have to Kill a Few People”


It's not a good shoot, no matter how you slice it.

It has plenty to do with the DA though. The Austin Police Department said it was justifiable homicide, no?

 

[Devildoc]

It has plenty to do with the DA though. The Austin Police Department said it was justifiable homicide, no?

I believe the PD did conclude that, and recommended no charges.

 

[DA SWO]

It doesn't have shit to do with a "Soros-backed" DA, because the DA isn't part of the jury.

How'd a bunch of Texans decide this dude was guilty, even though Texas has strong stand your ground laws?

Maybe because the dude legit had a plan for how he wanted to get away with it.


“Might Have to Kill a Few People”


It's not a good shoot, no matter how you slice it.

It's fucking Austin, a California wannabe city.

 

[BlackSmokeRisinG]

“Might Have to Kill a Few People”


It's not a good shoot, no matter how you slice it.

Ok, I'll bite. And I'll source my argument around the link you provided.

First of all, his own quote would have been similar to many of my and I assume your combat vet friends WRT looters and rioters ravaging our cities. I was in Afghanistan while all this was going on. Many of us there looked on through the news with disdain as we saw riot after riot, town after town, day and night after day and night. We saw the crowds surrounding cars on highways, we saw crowds dancing and stomping on occupied cars in downtown areas of big cities. I doubt you're going to debate that's true. The royal "We" also put ourselves in those situations and thought about what "We" would do.

"I might have to kill a few people on my way to work, they are rioting outside my apartment complex...Perry wrote to a friend in June of 2020." He's not exactly advocating for the death of peaceful protesters, and his hyperbolic statement does not show pre-emptive intent against a man pointing a gun at him. Most of us would not hide in our houses because some idiots are out on the town destroying, "We" would carry on with business as usual taking some type of precaution/enhanced SA.

"I might go to Dallas to shoot looters," he wrote on another occasion. Perry also encouraged violence in a variety of social media posts." Perry was not on trial for going to Dallas to shoot looters. Media didn't provide any additional quoted material so anything they feel like writing is pure speculation.

"Prosecutors presented a Facebook Messenger chat between Perry and a friend, Michael Holcomb, which occurred two weeks before he shot Foster. In it, Perry argued that shooting protesters was legal if it was in self-defense. Again, we should see that quote, they had no problem providing other quotes. Does he say shooting protesters or looters and rioters? Shooting in self defense is legal, and all of us live and carry by that rule.

"This claim – that Foster raised the barrel of his AK-47 – is, of course, Perry's principal hope to escape a murder conviction. It was refuted over and over during the first three days of the trial by witnesses who were near Foster that night. All repeated a version of the same story: They heard squealing tires as a car sped into a group of about 20 protesters." It was reported that Perry had an Uber passenger in the car with him at the time of the shooting. If that is true, do we really believe he sped his car tires squealing into a crowd with a guy or gal in the back seat? I guess he wasn't going for 5 stars?

 

[Muppet]

It's a hatchet job, I'll also say, stop talking about shit on social media. The fuckers will always hold it against you.

To add, regarding Austin: I'm not even from Texas and I heard, Austin is a liberal shill enclave.

One of the many reasons I left Facebook. Besides the plandemic with friends that cut me off for speaking my opinion to politics, I'd find myself in FB jail many times as some of you know, God forbid I'm involved in a self defense shoot, it would be used against me, probably referring to me as a "right wing Christian fundamentalist, domestic terrorist".

So, this dude was fucked by the jury, he was also fucked by his social media comments.

 

[BlackSmokeRisinG]

^He was convicted of an Austin jury, not a "Texas" jury. I like Austin, I fully support their freedom to be weird ass hipsters, commie Nancy boys even, I can't support burning down Starbucks and CVS in Austin for a cop killing somebody in Minneapolis.