I believe you can do it from aft steering but not from the bridge.
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Regarding the findings of the USS Fitzgerald on the toxicity of Message to Garcia within Naval leadership.
I didn't realize it was such a staple and my experience with the essay from my SOF leadership had nothing to do with taking risks, but more to do with initiative in completing tasks.
Seems like deflection to me, but maybe I'm misunderstanding the intent.
Regarding the findings of the USS Fitzgerald on the toxicity of Message to Garcia within Naval leadership.
I didn't realize it was such a staple and my experience with the essay from my SOF leadership had nothing to do with taking risks, but more to do with initiative in completing tasks.
Seems like deflection to me, but maybe I'm misunderstanding the intent.
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Slight disagree/
IMO it started with those that survived the VN era purges became risk averse.
Bush 41, Clinton, Bush 43, Obama continued the cut while we fight mentality.
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Forgot about Carter, his they can leave if they don't like it quote opened a floodgate.
The author is missing the mark. A message to Garcia encourages perseverance, creative problem solving, and mission accomplishment in the face of adverse circumstances. I would argue that the Navy may talk a lot about "message to Garcia" but in reality they promote a zero defect mentality that strongly discourages action and initiative at any level. Especially in the surface warfare officer corps.
And in other news, the sky is blue and the grass is greenish.
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better than the grass being under 6" to 6' of ocean ;)
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The Navy has fired the command team: Navy fires John S. McCain leadership, calls fatal August collision ‘preventable’
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In both cases....who the hell was in charge of the freeking bridge?
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Navy Releases Collision Report for USS Fitzgerald and USS John S McCain Collisions
WASHINGTON (NNS) -- The Navy released Nov. 1, a report detailing the events and actions that led to the collision of USS Fitzgerald (DDG 62) and ACX Crystal off the coast of Japan June 17, and the collision of USS John S. McCain (DDG 56) and merchant vessel Alnic MC Aug. 21.
"Both of these accidents were preventable and the respective investigations found multiple failures by watch standers that contributed to the incidents, said Chief of Naval Operations (CNO) Adm. John Richardson. "We must do better."
USS FITZGERALD
The collision between Fitzgerald and Crystal was avoidable and resulted from an accumulation of smaller errors over time, ultimately resulting in a lack of adherence to sound navigational practices. Specifically, Fitzgerald's watch teams disregarded established norms of basic contact management and, more importantly, leadership failed to adhere to well-established protocols put in place to prevent collisions. In addition, the ship's triad was absent during an evolution where their experience, guidance and example would have greatly benefited the ship.
USS JOHN S. MCCAIN
The collision between John S. McCain and Alnic MC was also avoidable and resulted primarily from complacency, over-confidence and lack of procedural compliance. A major contributing factor to the collision was sub-standard level of knowledge regarding the operation of the ship control console. In particular, McCain's commanding officer disregarded recommendations from his executive officer, navigator and senior watch officer to set sea and anchor watch teams in a timely fashion to ensure the safe and effective operation of the ship. With regard to procedures, no one on the Bridge watch team, to include the commanding officer and executive officer, were properly trained on how to correctly operate the ship control console during a steering casualty.
In both cases....who the hell was in charge of the freeking bridge?
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Navy Releases Collision Report for USS Fitzgerald and USS John S McCain Collisions
WASHINGTON (NNS) -- The Navy released Nov. 1, a report detailing the events and actions that led to the collision of USS Fitzgerald (DDG 62) and ACX Crystal off the coast of Japan June 17, and the collision of USS John S. McCain (DDG 56) and merchant vessel Alnic MC Aug. 21.
"Both of these accidents were preventable and the respective investigations found multiple failures by watch standers that contributed to the incidents, said Chief of Naval Operations (CNO) Adm. John Richardson. "We must do better."
USS FITZGERALD
The collision between Fitzgerald and Crystal was avoidable and resulted from an accumulation of smaller errors over time, ultimately resulting in a lack of adherence to sound navigational practices. Specifically, Fitzgerald's watch teams disregarded established norms of basic contact management and, more importantly, leadership failed to adhere to well-established protocols put in place to prevent collisions. In addition, the ship's triad was absent during an evolution where their experience, guidance and example would have greatly benefited the ship.
USS JOHN S. MCCAIN
The collision between John S. McCain and Alnic MC was also avoidable and resulted primarily from complacency, over-confidence and lack of procedural compliance. A major contributing factor to the collision was sub-standard level of knowledge regarding the operation of the ship control console. In particular, McCain's commanding officer disregarded recommendations from his executive officer, navigator and senior watch officer to set sea and anchor watch teams in a timely fashion to ensure the safe and effective operation of the ship. With regard to procedures, no one on the Bridge watch team, to include the commanding officer and executive officer, were properly trained on how to correctly operate the ship control console during a steering casualty.
Holy shit.
Agreed... what both of those synopses say is... "The bridge crews didn't know how to drive their ship or lead those who did."
And the hits keep coming.
USS Fitzgerald returns to Yokosuka after suffering damage during loading process
USS Fitzgerald returns to Yokosuka after suffering damage during loading process
Navy to file charges against ship commanders for collisions that killed 17
The charges include negligent homicide, dereliction of duty and hazarding a vessel. This is for both the USS John McCain and the USS Fitzgerald.
The charges include negligent homicide, dereliction of duty and hazarding a vessel. This is for both the USS John McCain and the USS Fitzgerald.
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Good point. These thread's have both become pretty similar; I've merged them.
Feel free to deleate one of my posts if you like to clean up a bit.
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