There is such a thing as criminal negligence.
School/Mass shootings are now part of our culture.
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Topkick
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Yep, but hard to prove if a police officer claims he didn't know where the shots were being fired, therefore not knowing where to "run toward the gun fire". Maybe he's full of shit but he can always play that card.
I thought that there was already precedence that the cops have no duty to protect? I'll have to see if I can find the case. It's one of the things pro-2A folks often use to support private gun ownership.
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48 minutes. That coward hid for 48 minutes claiming he couldn't tell where shots were coming from. 48 fucking minutes...
Yep; that's the one. I always confuse it with DC vs. Heller.
Warren v. District of Columbia - Wikipedia
I think the prosecution got a little overzealous with the charges, reflecting the highly emotional atmosphere among the parents and loved ones of victims...Nevertheless, if you wear the badge you're sworn to protect the public. That means you suck it the fuck up and roll. You get in there and hunt the motherfucker down.
I hope the parents sue his ass. In my book he doesn't deserve to be held unaccountable for his failure. He needs some punishment to serve as a lesson to other cops who've forgotten the meaning of the oath they took.
I think what he did was shitty, but I don't think it was necessary illegal under our laws. It should be fire-able, but I don't think it's criminal under the law. This verdict doesn't surprise me.
Topkick
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Agree. He'll likely lose his ass in civil court soon.
It will be interesting to see what happens. Have other cops been successfully sued civilly over similar things in the past?
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Qualified Immunity only works if the officer did everything he was trained to do and was in policy. When you do something outside of training and/or policy, you aren't covered, you get fired, and criminal charges filed.
And, yes, officers who have been found to be outside of policy have been sued...like all the time. Officers within policy are also sued all the time, but the agency is also named in the suit. Agency lawyers back the officer, most times the agency pays out....as it is cheaper than defending it in court.
People has a false understanding of what qualified immunity is, and you hear it taken out of context all the time.
And, yes, officers who have been found to be outside of policy have been sued...like all the time. Officers within policy are also sued all the time, but the agency is also named in the suit. Agency lawyers back the officer, most times the agency pays out....as it is cheaper than defending it in court.
People has a false understanding of what qualified immunity is, and you hear it taken out of context all the time.
Good to know. Thanks bro.
Doesn't work in this case, it's literally a public school.
Police have the duty to protect The Public.
Oh, cool. Another mass shooting, perpetrated by an LGTBQIA+ identifying individual.
Tell me again how this isn’t an emerging threat, directly related to mental health issues.
Philadelphia mass shooting: Sources ID suspect as Kimbrady Carriker | 5 killed, 2 hurt in shooting in Kingsessing section | 6abc.com
Oh… and did we ever get that Nashville manifesto? No? Weird.
Tell me again how this isn’t an emerging threat, directly related to mental health issues.
Philadelphia mass shooting: Sources ID suspect as Kimbrady Carriker | 5 killed, 2 hurt in shooting in Kingsessing section | 6abc.com
Oh… and did we ever get that Nashville manifesto? No? Weird.
Real quick, I believe I posted about this before and had some dissenters. Where y’all at? What is this… 6 consecutive? What’s the answer here? I thought this was a white incel problem?
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Do you have a link to your post and that thread? I'd like to see what you said and why they took issue with it.
Did you mean to post another official news link that pointed out how they identified? I believe you, but for some reason the link you chose to post didn't match what you said about their identity, but it confirmed police hadn't established the motive.
Are you speaking about LGBTQIA+-identifying people as the emerging threat, or the use by some of their self-perceived disaffected status (as with some Islamists and Zionists, some incels, and some far left-and-right-leaning people) to justify violent behavior?
If you're talking about LGBTQIA+ folk, I think any group that, per the APA, is more than twice as prone than the rest of society to having mental health issues due directly to social rejection and targeting is bound to pose a higher risk for all kinds of adverse behavior. Trans and non-binary folk in particular seem to be overrepresented in terms of mass shootings over the past few years though, so if we're going with your first point, focusing on this subset might better get to the meat of what you're trying to say.
Right now I don't have enough information to lean one way or the other in terms of this shooter's motives or mental health-related reasons behind the attack.
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Devildoc
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As told to me by a psychiatrist: do you know the difference between a shrink and a witch doctor? A shrink had to be validated by his peers.
Part of the challenge with psychiatry is the subjectivity in assessment and diagnoses, as well as the pathologic (i.e., chemical imbalances and neuro disease) vs behavioral aspects of illness. I think the assignment to and correlation between "Group" and "behavior" is challenging.
Like you I don't have enough information to lean one way or the other, but I have my hunches.
