Super Sweet Movie Discussion Thread

I hope the Marvels movie is good, if only because I really like the Kamela Khan character. I won't hold my breath though.

It's gotten to the point where it's only about 1 in 3 marvel movies that I actually enjoy. Thor, Ant-Man, and Dr. Strange were all "meh". The Eternals sucked. Black Panther, Shang-Chi, and Black Widow were all OK, but not really something id want to rewatch alone.

Spiderman is the only movie out of the last 8 (haven't seen GotG) that I actually enjoyed.
 
The only reason people still watch Marvel movies is inertia. If you dropped some of them as stand alone with no prep whatsoever like Ms Marvel, The Marvels, etc., the numbers would be horrible. The Disney+ shows without the movies...horrible. Sure, the movies lead into the shows as part of a multiverse or whatever, but your pre-Endgame movies could generally stand on their own. The new crop is not in the same situation. They suck and they only reason people watch them is brand/ loyalty inertia, thinking the next movie or series is the "next big thing." Problem is, there is no next big thing.

The Marvel franchise might continue to make money, but it is otherwise dead. Even then, the money is from people clinging to a 10-20 year old dream. People hoping for a cameo or whatever. Hell, people are hyped about alligator Loki, like...come the fuck on, people. You might as well try to solve an Amber Alert by surveilling the local day care from a blacked-out '86 Ford Econoline van with "free candy" painted on the side.
 
AWP said:
The only reason people still watch Marvel movies is inertia. If you dropped some of them as stand alone with no prep whatsoever like Ms Marvel, The Marvels, etc., the numbers would be horrible. The Disney+ shows without the movies...horrible. Sure, the movies lead into the shows as part of a multiverse or whatever, but your pre-Endgame movies could generally stand on their own. The new crop is not in the same situation. They suck and they only reason people watch them is brand/ loyalty inertia, thinking the next movie or series is the "next big thing." Problem is, there is no next big thing.

The Marvel franchise might continue to make money, but it is otherwise dead. Even then, the money is from people clinging to a 10-20 year old dream. People hoping for a cameo or whatever. Hell, people are hyped about alligator Loki, like...come the fuck on, people. You might as well try to solve an Amber Alert by surveilling the local day care from a blacked-out '86 Ford Econoline van with "free candy" painted on the side.
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The hard-core Marvel Geeks want every project to be made for them. They forget that this is a business, needs to expand viewership in order to continue making money.
 
AWP said:
Sure, the movies lead into the shows as part of a multiverse or whatever, but your pre-Endgame movies could generally stand on their own. The new crop is not in the same situation.
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Hell, people are hyped about alligator Loki
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I agree that with the first quote that Marvel movies no longer stand on their own, but I disagree with the second; these movies/shows actually need to be more willing to do things like Alligator Loki.

Comic book movies should be allowed to be fucking weird. Shit, squirrel girl has been allowed to beat Thanos in the comics.
Disney needs to stop making 47-interconnected properties over 20 years and just do one offs for a while.
 
Gunz said:
I thought Top Gun and Top Gun Maverick were dumb.

There. I said it. Dumb. Any halfwit could’ve written the dialogue. And motorcycles aren’t allowed on the flight line, asshole…be advised.

Y’know what was a better movie? Predator. Yeah. With Arnold. And Ventura. And my man, Carl fucking Weathers.

That was a movie.
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There's a great podcast / YouTube that is put on by a former f-14 RIO who had a couple episodes about what was wrong in each movie, including the motorcycle by the flight line.

I would submit the movies aren't dumb, they just aren't your generation. For those of us who were military-oriented teens in the mid '80s, it struck a nerve. Plus it was the first movie with the flying sequences that were that realistic.

You thought Predator was better? I liked it, a lot (I dig almost all of the Predator flicks), but the leap of logic for me that those guys were "Delta" was just a wee much. No less entertaining, though.
 
Devildoc said:
There's a great podcast / YouTube that is put on by a former f-14 RIO who had a couple episodes about what was wrong in each movie, including the motorcycle by the flight line.

I would submit the movies aren't dumb, they just aren't your generation. For those of us who were military-oriented teens in the mid '80s, it struck a nerve. Plus it was the first movie with the flying sequences that were that realistic.

You thought Predator was better? I liked it, a lot (I dig almost all of the Predator flicks), but the leap of logic for me that those guys were "Delta" was just a wee much. No less entertaining, though.
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Ward Carroll is the podcaster. Great channel.
 
AWP said:
Ward Carroll is the podcaster. Great channel.
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He is super accessible, too. When I was going through the low point of my cancer thing, I bought his novels (the Punk series), and found his email and emailed him regarding how much I enjoyed them. Super nice guy.
 
Devildoc said:
There's a great podcast / YouTube that is put on by a former f-14 RIO who had a couple episodes about what was wrong in each movie, including the motorcycle by the flight line.

I would submit the movies aren't dumb, they just aren't your generation. For those of us who were military-oriented teens in the mid '80s, it struck a nerve. Plus it was the first movie with the flying sequences that were that realistic.

You thought Predator was better? I liked it, a lot (I dig almost all of the Predator flicks), but the leap of logic for me that those guys were "Delta" was just a wee much. No less entertaining, though.
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Tongue was firmly in cheek.
 
I liked the aerial sequences, the aircraft, the carrier scenes, but I’m not keen on romance in my military/war movies..,and I did think the dialogue and some of the premise were dumb.

The Right Stuff (both Tom Wolfe’s book and subsequent movie, which, incidentally, came out in 1982) were perhaps more the speed of my generation. At least it was about real aviators and real events.

From the early to mid 80s I was in a C130 squadron so I generally liked aircraft stuff.
 
Gunz said:
I liked the aerial sequences, the aircraft, the carrier scenes, but I’m not keen on romance in my military/war movies..,and I did think the dialogue and some of the premise were dumb.

The Right Stuff (both Tom Wolfe’s book and subsequent movie, which, incidentally, came out in 1982) were perhaps more the speed of my generation. At least it was about real aviators and real events.

From the early to mid 80s I was in a C130 squadron so I generally liked aircraft stuff.
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I love The Right Stuff. One of the few books I read about every 2 years.
 
Gunz said:
I liked the aerial sequences, the aircraft, the carrier scenes, but I’m not keen on romance in my military/war movies..,and I did think the dialogue and some of the premise were dumb.

The Right Stuff (both Tom Wolfe’s book and subsequent movie, which, incidentally, came out in 1982) were perhaps more the speed of my generation. At least it was about real aviators and real events.

From the early to mid 80s I was in a C130 squadron so I generally liked aircraft stuff.
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Worth the watch:





They were catering to a couple different audiences; the action audience, the military buff audience, and the patriotic audience. When the Navy had issues about reality or authenticity Bruckheimer said 'we're making a movie, not a documentary.'
 
Gunz said:
I liked the aerial sequences, the aircraft, the carrier scenes, but I’m not keen on romance in my military/war movies..,and I did think the dialogue and some of the premise were dumb.
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Yeah, it's really really good for fast F-14s and loud guitars and that's about it. At the end of the movie, I couldn't care less about Pete Mitchell or the rest of them.
 
Gunz said:
I’m in too. Old Man Strength. It’s a real thing.
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Agree 100%. You old guys are strong!!
Finally watched SISU. Was not disappointed! There's a small taste of this in the preview but the Minefield Chapter had me crying I was laughing so hard.

:ROFLMAO: :thumbsup:
 
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My boys are 20 now; still live with me part time. Once a week or so I get a ‘movie night’ out of them. I’ve been taking them through mostly 80’s movies, plus a few classics - 7Samurai, Godfather, Casino, Kill Bill, etc, but mostly 80’s. They struggle with the comedies.

Tonight we did Tommy Boy (Chris Farley and David Spade). It's hard for them to enjoy 80's movies because when people get themselves into trouble out in public, they think like kids of today..."well, that's going viral and your life is over". That's all they know...they can't conceive of the idea of not always being under surveillance and public scrutiny 100% of their life.

Make's me a little sad for them actually.
 
Ooh-Rah said:
My boys are 20 now; still live with me part time. Once a week or so I get a ‘movie night’ out of them. I’ve been taking them through mostly 80’s movies, plus a few classics - 7Samurai, Godfather, Casino, Kill Bill, etc, but mostly 80’s. They struggle with the comedies.

Tonight we did Tommy Boy (Chris Farley and David Spade). It's hard for them to enjoy 80's movies because when people get themselves into trouble out in public, they think like kids of today..."well, that's going viral and your life is over". That's all they know...they can't conceive of the idea of not always being under surveillance and public scrutiny 100% of their life.

Make's me a little sad for them actually.
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Similarly, last night my 18 year old son and I were watching part of Blazing Saddles on TV (uncut). He thought it was hilarious, naturally, but also uncomfortable because he is projecting that humor at that time onto today's standards with today's events. He said, "dad, they could never make this movie now...everyone would be canceled and doxed."
 
Devildoc said:
Similarly, last night my 18 year old son and I were watching part of Blazing Saddles on TV (uncut). He thought it was hilarious, naturally, but also uncomfortable because he is projecting that humor at that time onto today's standards with today's events. He said, "dad, they could never make this movie now...everyone would be canceled and doxed."
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Funny you bring that up. We did Blazing Saddles a few months ago, they loved it because they understood that Brooks was mocking the racists of the world, but when I tried to do Borat, they bailed halfway through.

I tried to explain that he is literally mocking the people singing “Throw the Jews down the well”…nope, they wanted nothing to do with that.

 

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