Agreed.
007 as a character is supposed to just be the agent identifier, not a singular specific character archetype or gender. Personally I'd love to see Idris Elba fill the role but I wouldn't mind seeing Blunt either.
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Agreed.
007 as a character is supposed to just be the agent identifier, not a singular specific character archetype or gender. Personally I'd love to see Idris Elba fill the role but I wouldn't mind seeing Blunt either.
I'll just come out and say it- I would turn for Idris Elba.
Sure but if they tried to use the same name is where I go nope. Retired James Bond and a new 007 with a new name/color/gender/whatever fine.
One of the biggest fan theories out there is that Bond isn't the same guy. It is an alias that goes with the 007 title. I've only read one of the books so I don't know if that was Fleming's intent, but it gives the Broccoli family an opening to cast whomever. I love most of the actresses on that list, but a Bond who isn't a straight male?
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I’m never against expanding roles to allow for a wider range of casting choices, I just don’t like seeing a Character with such a set personality changed. He’s 007- there are several other 00 agents. Maybe start a spin off with 006 or whatever and have that be the set female lead.One of the biggest fan theories out there is that Bond isn't the same guy. It is an alias that goes with the 007 title. I've only read one of the books so I don't know if that was Fleming's intent, but it gives the Broccoli family an opening to cast whomever. I love most of the actresses on that list, but a Bond who isn't a straight male?
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Because the James Bond character isn't black and isn't female. Flemming drew pictures of bond as a white dude. Sure, it's cool to have a different 007 agent character, but would you change the black panther to a white women? You don't have to change everything in the name of equality.
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Judi Dench was fantastic, IMO. As an avid James Bond fan, I'll miss her.
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Nah.....doesn't work. With the ending of the last Bond, you could easily say he has retired. Fill the empty 007 with whoever you want....but create a new character to fill it.
Nah.....doesn't work. With the ending of the last Bond, you could easily say he has retired. Fill the empty 007 with whoever you want....but create a new character to fill it.
There have been plenty of successful action movies with female leads. Kill Bill, Lara Croft, Hunger Games etc, but females were the original characters. The Bond franchise is so established as a male, I just don't think a female would draw the same numbers. Even if you spun it, made Jane Bond his daughter or niece, I don't think it would be as successful as the Daniel Craig character...and IMV, he's been the best Bond ever. He's tough, professional, he bleeds and more accurately reflects (with exaggeration, of course) the kind of ex-SAS type we'd expect to be on the direct action side of the biz.
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We always imagine the 007 character as a suave, erudite super agent. They did this all the way from Sean Connery to Pierce Brosnan, and that got really stale and boring after a while. Then they introduced the Daniel Craig Bond, who was a gruff and working-class Bond who was okay with just brutally beating the shit out of the bad guys. It was a totally novel and unique approach to the franchise, and made for a great film.
Hell, if you want to talk about authorial intent, Ian Fleming didn't want Sean Connery playing Bond. But today we think of Sean Connery as the prototypical Bond type. It worked super well! So I don't put a lot of faith in whatever pictures Fleming drew
And lastly, the comparison to the Black Panther is disingenuous and you know it. For that character, blackness and Africa are absolutely essential to the character - there is no story without it. Wouldn't you agree that there are women and black people in the real MI6? Why couldn't the fictional version of MI6 have some representation in it? Unless you think that MI6 is just white people. Idris Elba is super cool, and there are a dozen other prominent black actors that could do a good Bond. And if written well, you could make an Angelina Jolie-type into a James Bond (Jane Bond? I don't know, just call them "007")
Anyway, the point is that I don't buy the argument that we have to stick to archtypes when it comes to these very flexible characters. And I also disagree that this is an attempt to "change everything in the name of equality." It's trying to change things because the last few movies have gotten kind of stale.
They're trying to change major franchises because they are lazy writers. They want an easy payday.
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An interesting view from a former Bond villian.
Yaphet Kotto interview: “James Bond cannot be black” | The Big Issue
Yaphet Kotto interview: “James Bond cannot be black” | The Big Issue
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From the interview -
“It’s silly. Play 003 or 006 but you cannot be 007. A lot of people say we should be allowed to play everything. Don’t be ridiculous. If I say I want to play JFK I should be laughed out the room. Why should James Bond be black? It’s silly.”
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It's true. And thats also why they make sequels, remakes and take TV shows from the 70s and 80's and turn them into movies. Hemingway said it: Nothing is original.
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I watched Darkest Hour last night. Very good movie. I think Oldman did a great job playing Churchill. A story that reminded me and my son how important Churchill is to history. A few laughs along the way too.
JFK was a real person. Bond is a fictional character. This is a silly argument. Look at the Hamilton musical. A smart writer and lyricist was able to take a classic, if not very well-known story, and turn it into a really entertaining if somewhat fictionalized account. Like, the entire argument is a silly tautological "James Bond cannot be black because he's not black."
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I should’ve been more clear, it is not my argument it is the argument of the black actor.
I will fix so that that is more apparent.
Awesome movie. Theater full of old people. The people who needed to see that movie weren't there. He was an amazing man, a force to be reckoned with.
And Oldman became one of my favorite actors when I saw him play a Rastafarian black drug dealer in True Romance. He can play any part, be anybody. He could probably play the new female James Bond
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Yeah I’m fine with Bond being black. Shit he’s supposed to be a Scotsman. You can be a black Scotsman. #immigration.
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