Syria Gas Attack- What Now?
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& I shall fill you in a bit later. Awefully sorry about that chaps , but I thought this was an important point.
At least someone's up to speed!
& I shall fill you in a bit later. Awefully sorry about that chaps , but I thought this was an important point.
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That's part of it.
For those of you who don't know who we're talking about, look up Haj Amin al-Husseini. Historians generally agree that he had a role in the rise of radical Islam today, though how much of a role is debated.
But that's only part of my point.
I think the scope of the horrors visited upon us during WWII have defined our actions since the end of the war. The Holocaust (sorry, Holocaust, but thisn't just about you), the rape of Nanking (for those who know of it), firebombings (Dresden, Tokyo, etc.), buzz bombs, atomic bombs, 20 million dead in the Soviet Union alone...These have all played role in our psyche about war. Honestly, if WWII doesn't happen I don't think the gas debte would matter. When Saddam gassed Iran who batted an eye? The uprising after the Gulf War? Gas was used and the world did what exactly?
But now Syria's a problem?
Anyway, I think the horrors of WWII have caused to be a little weepy-eyed now when bad things happen in other countries. We wring our hands because of the children or whatever, but we're also hypocrites because we pick and choose our fights with no logic or order. We let world opinion and emotion drive our actions.
We're also afriad of the next Hitler. Who is it, who could it be? News flash. You, and you, and you, and me, and you....
We're going to pay for that little art school reject's actions for generations to come. That's Hitler's legacy, he's made us afraid of war but also goads us into action whenever bad things happen to someone.
"For the children!" :wall:
Like you say, the really fucked up thing is that we pick and choose, what did we do about Cambodia? :-" Rwanda? :-"
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Still to this day believe the devil himself was in Kigali.
I don't think it has made us afraid of war bro, I think it has made us afraid of doing what it takes to win the wars our country gets into. A lot of bad stuff went on in WWII but it was also the last time we won convincingly against any kind of major power.
If the Rebels are worse, then why help put them in power?
I'll agree with that then...but that kind of makes it a lot worse than being afraid of war. Go to war to win. No more, no less.
My friend, you've outdone yourself. I was wondering where you were going with it, and I simply couldnt agree more. Well done.
That's part of it.
For those of you who don't know who we're talking about, look up Haj Amin al-Husseini. Historians generally agree that he had a role in the rise of radical Islam today, though how much of a role is debated.
But that's only part of my point.
I think the scope of the horrors visited upon us during WWII have defined our actions since the end of the war. The Holocaust (sorry, Holocaust, but thisn't just about you), the rape of Nanking (for those who know of it), firebombings (Dresden, Tokyo, etc.), buzz bombs, atomic bombs, 20 million dead in the Soviet Union alone...These have all played role in our psyche about war. Honestly, if WWII doesn't happen I don't think the gas debte would matter. When Saddam gassed Iran who batted an eye? The uprising after the Gulf War? Gas was used and the world did what exactly?
But now Syria's a problem?
Anyway, I think the horrors of WWII have caused to be a little weepy-eyed now when bad things happen in other countries. We wring our hands because of the children or whatever, but we're also hypocrites because we pick and choose our fights with no logic or order. We let world opinion and emotion drive our actions.
We're also afriad of the next Hitler. Who is it, who could it be? News flash. You, and you, and you, and me, and you....
We're going to pay for that little art school reject's actions for generations to come. That's Hitler's legacy, he's made us afraid of war but also goads us into action whenever bad things happen to someone.
"For the children!" :wall:
Actually, Free, the worst gas attacks were during WWI not WWII.
I never said gas was used in WWII. Well, outside of concentration camps at least.
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Yeah, define "gas attack" 12 million in rooms vs (I don't even know how many but a lot less) in the trenches.
I don't know of gas ever being used militarily during WWII.
I really dont think the American people give two shits about Syria and so long as Congress keeps us out of it and gas prices down it is a win. I dont care what side of the aisle that no vote is led by.
Furthermore, the idea that standing up to Syria will send a message to Iran/the rest of the world that we are serious is hillarious. If we wanted to send Iran a message we would have done it by now - we had all the opportunity we wanted when NK started up their nuke program. Intead we did fuck all about them chasing nuclear power and that was all the message the rest of the world needed to know.
This administration is all whimper...it doesn't even have a bark to be proud of.
Considering he got much of those stock piles from Iraq, You know, where they never existed... :-"
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Italians in Africa, Japanese when invading China.
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Who is advocating putting the rebels in charge?
Where they came from doesn't really matter but getting rid of them should be the goal.
Who do you think is going to take over once Assad is gone unless we attempt to put in "another" shadow government like we did in Astan?
I concur that we should get rid of them but telling the enemy we are coming after them is probably not the best way to go about targeting such items. Shit like destroying stockpiles should happen in the middle of the night and the populace should read about it afterwards. However since we cant even make an example out of congressional aides or congressmen who leak sensitive info we are going to continue to miss the target while playing whack-a-mole with billions of dollars in armament.
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Pre WWII Herr Troll
ETA, in the link I just posted it mentioned the Japs continuing to use gas in China until 1942 (ish)
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That is the fear and that's why I want to go after the stock piles now. Get rid of the stock piles and I won't care who wins or loses. My concern is the rebels eventually win and those stock piles get exported to every bad guy in the world.
Your second point is right on. I don't think Obama ever wanted to be involved in Syria but was painted into a corner. With him asking congress to give the OK he gets his out and we won't end up doing anything at least at this point.
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