The ACA/ Obamacare Website Fiasco Thread

[DA SWO]

I'm interested in more info in the first. Would you expound on the point?

Secondly, Obamacare cannot and will not be able to support itself financially without significant injection of cash (either by new healthy enrollees or government takeover).

I got into a heated discussion at work yesterday: I firmly believe that Tricare will be converted to Obamacare and military healthcare will go the way of BAH (you'll get some cash intended to cover a large percentage. Back in the day, we had to take our leases into S1 and THAT (to a max amount of course) was the amount of VHA we received). Obamacare needs cash AND enrollees. Politically it would be disastrous to nationalize the program but if Tricare is converted, it's still "free market choice). It's going to happen.

Retirees will get booted into Obamacare first, then family members.
The unintended consequence will be a run away from the Military because an E-3/4 with kids will be unable to afford Obamacare.

As far as the welfare class voting, something has to be done to put some of the welfare cost on their backs. They vote for the guy/gal that is going to continue giving "free" money, at some point in time the welfare class will overcome the producers bringing the economy down.

IIRC Landowners were the 1st voters, and the privilege has been extended (adding women for example).

Putting limits on how/where the money is spent, or giving States an incentive to crack down on fraud may help.

 

[Ranger Psych]

Tricare counts as coverage in the military. Tricare for us means we don't have to fuck with the stupidity.

 

[Mac_NZ]

I don't see any reason you guys can't have a working universal access health system right now, you all pay enough in tax. I'm pretty sure the financial aid given to places like Pakistan and Egypt would do a hell of a lot to offset the costs.

 

[TLDR20]

I don't see any reason you guys can't have a working universal access health system right now, you all pay enough in tax. I'm pretty sure the financial aid given to places like Pakistan and Egypt would do a hell of a lot to offset the costs.

Because people don't want it. We could have it for sure. Prolly half of Americans do not want universal healthcare, or anyone telling them they need health insurance either. That is why the healthcare law is so divisive.

 

[TLDR20]

I don't see any reason you guys can't have a working universal access health system right now, you all pay enough in tax. I'm pretty sure the financial aid given to places like Pakistan and Egypt would do a hell of a lot to offset the costs.

There are people in America who believe without a doubt, that if we have universal healthcare we are a step away from a Nazi German style dictator controlled socialist paradise.

 

[AWP]

People should be up in arms about the ACA BECAUSE OF THE IMPLEMENTATION. Remember how it was passed? Changes made, an 800 or so page bill is delivered around midnight (give or take) and then voted on the next morning? Pelosi's "You have to pass it to see what's in it" comment. The legislative side was an abortion.

Look at some of the details to the plan itself. The tax that isn't a tax, the penalties, the effects on businesses large and small...

Now we have the website, the purpose of this thread. The website is like the Jacksonville Jaguars...even when it scores it still loses. I'll bet as time passes its security will be like the Jags' defense: porous.

The United States is the most powerful nation on the planet and we couldn't find a way to properly implement a health care plan for every CITIZEN of this country?

'Murica.

Learn to swim.

 

[Chopstick]

And another Acolyte throws herself under the bus for the cause. The latest is senior communications advisor Tara McGuinness.
http://twitchy.com/2013/10/19/pathe...bamacare-success-story-that-wasnt-successful/

Ryan Lizza, correspondent for the New Yorker attempts to show how easy it is to sign up for Obamacare..but then...the dreaded glitch...

 

[Brill]

I don't see any reason you guys can't have a working universal access health system right now, you all pay enough in tax. I'm pretty sure the financial aid given to places like Pakistan and Egypt would do a hell of a lot to offset the costs.

They just released $1.8 Billion (that we don't have) to PK.

 

[surgicalcric]

Agree with this so much. Welfare recipients should...forfeit their right to vote until off of welfare.

I totally agree. The democratic party has been buying votes with welfare for years. Think about it for a moment, if you are being subsidized are you going to vite for the party who is trying to cut/balance the budget or the one who is offering you more shit? The abusers of the system dont give a rats ass about bankrupting the nation as long as they get theirs...

The "Obama phone" woman is a prime example of a bought vote. The fact that welfare jumped 32% (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news...pending-jumps-32-percent-four-years/?page=all) and food stamp enrollment is up 70% (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/mar/28/food-stamp-president-enrollment-70-percent-under-o/) since Obama took office. THis not to mention the fact that the government wants more people to enroll into SNAP (http://money.cnn.com/2012/06/25/news/economy/food-stamps-ads/) not to mention the USDA seeking to give our tax money away to non citizen (http://dailycaller.com/2012/07/12/u...mp-participation-among-non-citizens-citizens/) latinos in an effort to continue to buy elections...

Yes I feel that when you go on the government dole you forfeit the right to vote. Once back on their feet they are more than welcome to vote...

 

[surgicalcric]

There are people in America who believe without a doubt, that if we have universal healthcare we are a step away from a Nazi German style dictator controlled socialist paradise.

Likewise on the other side there are those who believe all the healthcare issues this nation has would be solved if only the government were in charge of the healthcare system.

 

[TLDR20]

Likewise on the other side there are those who believe all the healthcare issues this nation has would be solved if only the government were in charge of the healthcare system.

Good point.

 

[surgicalcric]

I think the biggest issue with the ACA is most of us opposed to it feel this way because we dont want to be forced to buy healthcare insurance if we dont want it. However if we dont buy into it we are taxed/fined for not doing so - its a crock of shit.

Then there is the POTUS himself exempting those who he wants to from the mandate cough...unions...cough and big business while the little guy gets the shaft. It just isnt right and too many people are seeing through his BS.

 

[AWP]

They just released $1.8 Billion (that we don't have) to PK.

My head just exploded....and my base will as soon as that money is given to the local TB/ HQN commanders.

 

[TLDR20]

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Then there is the POTUS himself exempting those who he wants to from the mandate cough...unions...cough and big business while the little guy gets the shaft. It just isnt right and too many people are seeing through his BS.

It is complete and utter BS. That companies don't have to comply but individuals do, is in my opinion shameful.

I shouldn't be surprised but I still am, how did they fuck this up so bad?

 

[Ranger Psych]

Because anything the government touches, it fucks up.

Pure and simple.

 

[TLDR20]

Because anything the government touches, it fucks up.

Pure and simple.

I know but I didn't think it would be this terrible.

 

[Brill]

People should be up in arms about the ACA BECAUSE OF THE IMPLEMENTATION.

The United States is the most powerful nation on the planet and we couldn't find a way to properly implement a health care plan for every CITIZEN of this country?

Whoa. That's racist right there since you're clearly trying to exclude illegal immigrants. If it is against Federal law to conduct a resident check to ensure voter registration, it will be DAMN SURE illegal to check the status for health care.

Where is that $13 billion from JP Morgan going to go? Oh, that's right to pay for the ACA website updates.

 

[AWP]

It is complete and utter BS. That companies don't have to comply but individuals do, is in my opinion shameful.

They aren't going to impose a financial burden on the people paying for their re-election campaign, comped hotel rooms, and the other trappings of power.

 

[Brill]

Guess who owns the company that runs the Obamacare call centers?

General Dynamics to Acquire Vangent, Inc., from Veritas Capital
Transaction will expand company’s exposure in fast-growing healthcare IT market.

FALLS CHURCH, Va. – General Dynamics (NYSE: GD) has entered a definitive agreement to acquire Vangent Holding Corp., the parent company of Vangent, Inc., a leading provider of healthcare information-technology and business systems to federal agencies, in a cash transaction valued at approximately $960 million. Vangent is majority-owned by The Veritas Capital Fund III, L.P. Vangent will become part of General Dynamics Information Technology, which has been providing healthcare information-technology (IT) systems and solutions to federal, commercial and military customers for nearly 30 years.

http://www.generaldynamics.com/news/press-releases/detail.cfm?customel_dataPageID_1811=16966

 

[racing_kitty]

I knew the particular stench of fail seemed somewhat familiar. It's the health care equivalent of the SMART-T!! Yup yup, you're all gonna die.