The Trump Presidency 2.0

[Devildoc]

This is what the Army gets for going with Liberty instead of Fort Beckwith I guess.

Or Shughart-Gordon, or Miller, or 25 other MOH winners with Airborne SOF lineage. This was a major fumble by the Army and the naming convention. That Benavidez didn’t get a base is a crime. Liberty was a failure in every way. I’m on record saying that Bragg was a shitty loser general, but they fucked this up.

I agree that if you're going to rename a base, Ft Bragg has generated so many extraordinary soldiers that it could be named after instead of that stupid ass name.

My issue is that so many soldiers identify with a base and the blood, sweat, and tears, that they have poured out that to rename it invalidates what they did.

 

[TLDR20]

I agree that if you're going to rename a base, Ft Bragg has generated so many extraordinary soldiers that it could be named after instead of that stupid ass name.

My issue is that so many soldiers identify with a base and the blood, sweat, and tears, that they have poured out that to rename it invalidates what they did.

If the name of the base validates someone as a person they have a weak ass resume.

Shit if anything it is just another way of saying “back when it was hard(Bragg)”

 

[Marauder06]

This was a brilliant move by Trump. He made a campaign promise to rename Bragg, and did it in a way that people can’t cry “muh racisms!”

Another campaign promise kept.

 

[R.Caerbannog]

I mean, sure, whatever. Are they going to try and find similar soldiers stories to change back the other posts, or is it just Bragg?

This is what the Army gets for going with Liberty instead of Fort Beckwith I guess.

Or Shughart-Gordon, or Miller, or 25 other MOH winners with Airborne SOF lineage. This was a major fumble by the Army and the naming convention. That Benavidez didn’t get a base is a crime. Liberty was a failure in every way. I’m on record saying that Bragg was a shitty loser general, but they fucked this up.

Gonna preface this with me being a 1st Gen American. In essence, I'm an adopted outsider. Which means I don't buy into the whole race/guilt mentality. Unlike some of the peeps here, I didn't buy into the BLM/racism grift either. Cause ultimately, that was the impetus the previous admin used to reshape our military culture and tradition.

Let me explain. What the previous admin did was a calculated move. They essentially forced the DoD to bend the knee to a rabble of Neo-Marxist scum. Think of it as a humiliation ritual, with the botching of Afghanistan as their piece de resistance. The renaming of bases, the celebration of depravity, and the attack on core values, was no coincidence. It was meant to demoralize the force and sever the connection of past generations.

Fact of the matter is. Our shared heritage was destroyed by race baiting idiots. Who funnily enough were funded via embezzled tax dollars, ie the Tide Foundation and USAID. To further whit, Milley and Lloyd are now persona non grata because they were complicit in this.

So when I hear that we should have renamed US bases something different, complaints about Braxton Bragg, etc. What I really hear is discontent. Discontent that the previous admin failed at their tasking. But hey... I'm just a crazy rabbit . What do I know?

 

[Salt USMC]

so I guess this is happening?
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See, I can get behind this. Satisfies all the old heads who have nostalgia for Ft. Bragg, but avoids naming it after a loser general

 

[Devildoc]

If the name of the base validates someone as a person they have a weak ass resume.

Shit if anything it is just another way of saying “back when it was hard(Bragg)”

I first heard the notion of this by either John Plaster or John Meyer (MACV-SOG), can't remember which, on a podcast when this first erupted a few years ago. He talked about the community being small and clique-ish, a tribe, that identified "Bragg" as the home of that tribe.

"Liberty" is just fucking gay, so stupid. With the volume of MoH guys who went through Bragg, much less the rest of the certifiable studs, they could have picked a better name. I am not sure, however, they would not have the same issue as they are having now with the frustration over changing the name to begin with.

I get what you are saying, but because it is not meaningful to you doesn't mean it's not meaningful to someone else.

 

[Marauder06]

See, I can get behind this. Satisfies all the old heads who have nostalgia for Ft. Bragg, but avoids naming it after a loser general

Same. Especially the last part. I remember when I was a lieutenant at Fort Benning, I passed a historical marker that explained who Benning was and remember thinking, "this guy didn't have a super-inspiring military career, AND he was a Confederate? That's weird..."

 

[TLDR20]

I first heard the notion of this by either John Plaster or John Meyer (MACV-SOG), can't remember which, on a podcast when this first erupted a few years ago. He talked about the community being small and clique-ish, a tribe, that identified "Bragg" as the home of that tribe.

"Liberty" is just fucking gay, so stupid. With the volume of MoH guys who went through Bragg, much less the rest of the certifiable studs, they could have picked a better name. I am not sure, however, they would not have the same issue as they are having now with the frustration over changing the name to begin with.

I get what you are saying, but because it is not meaningful to you doesn't mean it's not meaningful to someone else.

That is fair. I still call it Bragg because that is what it is to me. I cut me teeth there and spent my entire career there. I think renaming it was a good idea, I think they dropped the ball hard.

 

[Marauder06]

I mean, sure, whatever. Are they going to try and find similar soldiers stories to change back the other posts, or is it just Bragg?

This is what the Army gets for going with Liberty instead of Fort Beckwith I guess.

I think Bragg is the only one that President Trump campaigned on, so I suspect this is it. He'll take the W and move on. No need to retroactively rename everything else. I think most of us are probably happy with most of the rest of the re-names.

 

[Devildoc]

This is what the Army gets for going with Liberty instead of Fort Beckwith I guess.

I think Bragg is the only one that President Trump campaigned on, so I suspect this is it. He'll take the W and move on. No need to retroactively rename everything else. I think most of us are probably happy with most of the rest of the re-names.

39 soldiers from Ft. Bragg were awarded the MoH (I had to look it up). I am sure scores more were also airborne and SOF icons who would also be worthy of having bases named after them. @TLDR20 mentioned a few as well. I don't have a thing one way or the other about 'Bragg' except for the context I mentioned, but I was disappointed it was not named after one of the notable studs. "Liberty" is just.... you know.

 

[AWP]

They should name it Fort Dewey to honor all of the base's DUI's.

 

[DA SWO]

I mean, sure, whatever. Are they going to try and find similar soldiers stories to change back the other posts, or is it just Bragg?

This is what the Army gets for going with Liberty instead of Fort Beckwith I guess.

There was a Union BG Bragg whose name could have been used.
The whole renaming thing was bullshit.

 

[GOTWA]

We could argue all day about what-could've-been, but why waste the energy? It's small shit that detracts, and distracts, from the other shit. A decision was made, time to move on.

 

[Muppet]

Oh damn!

 

[Topkick]

think most of us are probably happy with most of the rest of the re-names.

Now that I'm retired, I understand the nostalgia. I don't have ties to Bragg, but I'm glad it was changed back for the sake of those who do. I wouldn't want any of the posts I served at to change names. I'm with @DA SWO on this, I think it was all virtue signaling bullshit.

 

[Box]

It's quite entertaining hearing people around the building using the word racist as it relates to the new name change and bashing the wanton wasteful spending related to recapturing the spirit of a racist confederate general

...from sea to shing sea

 

[AWP]

I'm teleworking, bitches!

Also, our building caught on fire today.

 

[GOTWA]

I'm teleworking, bitches!

Also, our building caught on fire today.

"Caught" or "set" on fire?

Also...

 

[ThunderHorse]

I first heard the notion of this by either John Plaster or John Meyer (MACV-SOG), can't remember which, on a podcast when this first erupted a few years ago. He talked about the community being small and clique-ish, a tribe, that identified "Bragg" as the home of that tribe.

"Liberty" is just fucking gay, so stupid. With the volume of MoH guys who went through Bragg, much less the rest of the certifiable studs, they could have picked a better name. I am not sure, however, they would not have the same issue as they are having now with the frustration over changing the name to begin with.

I get what you are saying, but because it is not meaningful to you doesn't mean it's not meaningful to someone else.

The father of the Airborne is William Carey Lee.

 

[Locksteady]

I think Bragg is the only one that President Trump campaigned on, so I suspect this is it. He'll take the W and move on. No need to retroactively rename everything else. I think most of us are probably happy with most of the rest of the re-names.

Impressively quick with the Wikipedia update, too, and it only first mentions the Liberty renaming several paragraphs down as a historical footnote.

Fort Bragg - Wikipedia