The Trump Presidency 2.0

[R.Caerbannog]

This is why I don't believe all elections are free and fair. I can't believe that the majority of Americans vote for some of these fruitloops.

With USAID and other govt slush funds being frozen, we should get a better barometer of how much election tampering has been going on.

Most people are not informed voters, only vote for incumbents or people with name recognition.

To be fair, many Americans have been inured by mainstream media propaganda into thinking and voting in certain ways. It's only recently, to the consternation traitors and turncoats, that we have concrete proof of this.

 

[Topkick]

Most people are not informed voters, only vote for incumbents or people with name recognition.

Agree, my sister-in-law proudly voted for Hillary just because she's a girl. However, we don't get to watch people count the votes either.

 

[Jaknight]

Trumps response to Ukraine has massively disappointed me I knew he wasn’t exactly a war time president but to hear him bend the knee to Russia (This what it sounds like to me). Is just wow. I know many may not agree with us helping the Ukrainians however to me I see it like this
The Ukrainians want to fight for their home. These are men and women who are putting up a fight they are willing to die for their freedom and to me that’s worth something

 

[Devildoc]

Trumps response to Ukraine has massively disappointed me I knew he wasn’t exactly a war time president but to hear him bend the knee to Russia (This what it sounds like to me). Is just wow. I know many may not agree with us helping the Ukrainians however to me I see it like this
The Ukrainians want to fight for their home. These are men and women who are putting up a fight they are willing to die for their freedom and to me that’s worth something

I have mixed feelings. Ukraine was invaded, they have every right to fight for their country. Putin is an ass, Russia is NOT our friend.

But. But we shouldn't underwrite and fund their war. At least not until we pay for our obligations first. We're not the world's police or banker.

 

[AWP]

Look everyone! Someone woke the fuck up and realized laws matter. I guess the DOGE boys, SECDEF, and OPM didn't give a shit about them or else all of the DoD talk would have never happened.

https://www.cnn.com/2025/02/21/politics/pentagon-firings-review/index.html

The pause comes after CNN reported on Wednesday that the mass terminations, which could affect over 50,000 civilian employees across the Pentagon, could run afoul of Title 10 section 129a of the US Code.

Cuts will still occur, no doubt about that, but actual justification will be required instead of using an Introduction to Databases 201 query.

 

[Totentanz]

Look everyone! Someone woke the fuck up and realized laws matter. I guess the DOGE boys, SECDEF, and OPM didn't give a shit about them or else all of the DoD talk would have never happened.

https://www.cnn.com/2025/02/21/politics/pentagon-firings-review/index.html



Cuts will still occur, no doubt about that, but actual justification will be required instead of using an Introduction to Databases 201 query.

It shouldn’t take a law (I know I’m preaching to the choir)

 

[AWP]

It shouldn’t take a law (I know I’m preaching to the choir)

The last few weeks have shown us why laws exist.

That said, I won't be surprised if the next round of cuts in how many weeks or months are severe. I expect some payback and them making cuts with a MOAB.

 

[amlove21]

Trumps response to Ukraine has massively disappointed me I knew he wasn’t exactly a war time president but to hear him bend the knee to Russia (This what it sounds like to me). Is just wow. I know many may not agree with us helping the Ukrainians however to me I see it like this
The Ukrainians want to fight for their home. These are men and women who are putting up a fight they are willing to die for their freedom and to me that’s worth something

I tend to agree with you on Trump's statements on Ukraine. Generally, they're a miss for me (I said it earlier in the thread). I'd ask you what your rational solution would be that wouldn't be "bending the knee to Russia", which is a really cool CNN talking point. Diplomacy is compromise, and we are talking about ending a 3-year war that has already cost 1 million lives... Is another million enough? Another $100B in funding? What *exactly* is their nationalism worth *to you* the American tax payer so that other countries and the MSM are satisfied that we didn't "bend the knee"?

Your bolded is where we diverge the furthest. In an emotional sort of "you go guys!" way, sure, that sort of nationalism is cool. In the real world, men and women everywhere are willing to die for their nationalism. Until this very topic, I was duly informed that my American nationalism was akin to racism, xenophobia, and enough to put me on a list and stand down an entire SOF command. Ukraine's citizens nationalism is worth (to me) some thoughts and prayers, but it does not quite rise to "put Slava Ukraine" in my bio. It's more like "that sucks, hope you figure out this regional conflict".

We left Afghanistan and their women and children to the predation of the Taliban- we gave them $70B worth of equipment to boot. China is engaging in wholesale ethnic cleansing every day, India has organized gang-rapes, and the entire continent of Africa is a dumpster fire.

Everyone wants to fight for their home, we don't need to help them die for it. I'd argue it's immoral to continue this protracted killing field just because I really dig their willingness to fight from the comfort and saftey of America.

 

[amlove21]

Look everyone! Someone woke the fuck up and realized laws matter. I guess the DOGE boys, SECDEF, and OPM didn't give a shit about them or else all of the DoD talk would have never happened.

https://www.cnn.com/2025/02/21/politics/pentagon-firings-review/index.html



Cuts will still occur, no doubt about that, but actual justification will be required instead of using an Introduction to Databases 201 query.

This is an overall good. Challenge the cuts, put it to the judiciary, get a ruling, formalize it into legislation and not EO.

It's almost like the founders had this process correct when they wrote it and somehow we drifted to where we are now.

I am 100% for every legal challenge and the resultant ruling, whether I personally agree with the outcome or not. Re-baseline the entire process and working of our government.

 

[AWP]

This is an overall good. Challenge the cuts, put it to the judiciary, get a ruling, formalize it into legislation and not EO.

It's almost like the founders had this process correct when they wrote it and somehow we drifted to where we are now.

I am 100% for every legal challenge and the resultant ruling, whether I personally agree with the outcome or not. Re-baseline the entire process and working of our government.

I know you are very pro-Trump so I appreciate you and those like you who don't rubber stamp the Administration's actions. Sometimes our tribes are indeed wrong and not every decision or action is a W.

 

[Topkick]

I know you are very pro-Trump so I appreciate you and those like you who don't rubber stamp the Administration's actions. Sometimes our tribes are indeed wrong and not every decision or action is a W.

I'm conservative, but don't agree with Republicans on a lot of shit.

 

[AWP]

I'm conservative, but don't agree with Republicans on a lot of shit.

I think too many of our fellow Republicans conflate draining the swamp and burning it all down.

 

[Topkick]

I think too many of our fellow Republicans conflate draining the swamp and burning it all down.

I support checks and balances 100%. Draining the swamp, for me, means getting rid of the corrupted people doing the checks and balances and getting better people. Both sides. Term limits would help, but we are not going to get those.

 

[Kraut783]

I have mixed feelings. Ukraine was invaded, they have every right to fight for their country. Putin is an ass, Russia is NOT our friend.

But. But we shouldn't underwrite and fund their war. At least not until we pay for our obligations first. We're not the world's police or banker.

Then the US should not have made a treaty with Ukraine to protect them, when they agreed to give up their nukes.

 

[Devildoc]

Then the US should not have made a treaty with Ukraine to protect them, when they agreed to give up their nukes.

Agreed. That was an awful piece of diplomacy. Doesn't negate that we should not be funding them now.

 

[TLDR20]

Agreed. That was an awful piece of diplomacy. Doesn't negate that we should not be funding them now.

Great precedent to sign a defense agreement, get someone to give up their true defense, then back out because reasons?

 

[TLDR20]

At CPAC.

 

[Box]

They don't know any better and even when they do "muh tribe" wins out. That's why they vote in dudes like McConnell who is old enough to remember slavery.

Now you are just doubling down on hyperbole.
...old enough to remember slavery - C'mon Man !!!

Cocaine Mitch can't even remember how many cherries went into this mornings Manhattan Cocktail.
...old enough to remember slavery
You're killing me, Smalls !!!

 

[Devildoc]

Great precedent to sign a defense agreement, get someone to give up their true defense, then back out because reasons?

Are you OK with what we've given them? It's OK see see audits turn up billions of misspent money or "we don't know where that money went", all the while the great leader galivants around the US and Europe to show up on covers of magazines, go to awards shows, and be strutted around like a peacock? So no end: give them whatever they want until someone taps out or is vanquished? Full steam ahead, bad money after good.

Nah, I'm good. Leadership is hard. Sometimes telling someone "we've done what we can do" and stepping back and letting them sort it out is leadership.

All of Europe combined has given $132 billion. The US alone has given about $114 billion. How about we meet in the middle: an operational and financial pause while we audit the money and results, in the meantime let Europe pick up the slack.

 

[Kraut783]

Agreed. That was an awful piece of diplomacy. Doesn't negate that we should not be funding them now.

I understand...but, I don't think the treaty had an expiration date on it.