The Trump Presidency 2.0

Box said:
Yep; it is a one-for-one decrement. "Maybe" not in your shop - but 'somewhere'
It could be an empty spot downstairs in the G1 that gets pulled off the books - it could be the assistant to the regional manager- but for every person that takes deferred retirement, a slot has to be dumped

Just the view from my foxhole - but everything in government is about the Benjamin's - this is all about cutting the budget - with the next debt ceiling coming in March and everyone still working from a CR instead of a budget - some of these "leveraged buyouts" can be used to make people squeal.
...don't want to support the budget?
...shut 'er down
...wait, these folks that took the buyout aren't getting paid?
...pass my budget

I'm sure that the "act now or loose out" timeline on making people decide by the 6th is intentional
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I'll admit, it's very tempting. If I left this job on the 6th I'd have another job that paid similarly--or more--in about a week in the private sector. And even if I didn't get immediately hired, I'd have that sweet sweet .gov paycheck to hold me over until I got sorted. I could do all things I've wanted to do for years... write books, get back in shape, find a way to become both funny AND witty... everything.

But again, I have a lot of personal loyalty to my current organization and my boss. My current unit had to lobby very hard to get me curtailed from an OCONUS assignment when I was on active duty and stuck in a shitty job with a boss who was such a toxic leader that I was actively trying to get on another deployment (on top of the 7 that I already had) just to get away from her. Then, once they pulled off a coup and somehow got me orders, they had to go short in the shop for months until the school year ended and I could PCS back to the states. They expended a LOT of political capital to make that happen, and I will always be grateful.

In addition, my current boss has done a lot for both my family and for me personally. On top of that, I like my team and this job and think we do important work that I find fulfilling. And, at the end of the day, I don't really need the money. So given all of that, I think I'm good here. There's no way I could Blue Falcon this team after everything they did for me, especially if it's just for the money.
 
AWP said:
Told ya'll so.

The people here who have talked about leaving aren't because we've seen the effects of CR funding. There are also questions about the gov't keeping its word on the payouts. Adding to that distrust is the repeated mantra of "national security" being exempt, but then we see cases where the CIA is offered a buyout....so we're exempt or we aren't? People don't trust the offer, period.
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There's a trust issue, but more importantly there's a communication issue. At the meeting I was in yesterday, no one worried about getting paid down the road. But there were a lot of "I don't know" and "we've asked for clarification."
 
AWP said:
I generally consider the UN to be "tits on a boar" useful, but this is a great opportunity to join their money and people with their mouths. I'd be happy if they showed up to secure MSR's, food distro, logistics, engineering to rebuild, man checkpoints, etc.

But they are a useless bunch of twats, so that will never happen.
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No. The UN is a terrible idea. We want to rebuild the place, not turn it into an open air pedo brothel.
 
Just out of curiosity. If one is fired from a Federal job, do they get to keep their security clearance? What about just being let go?
 
R.Caerbannog said:
Just out of curiosity. If one is fired from a Federal job, do they get to keep their security clearance? What about just being let go?
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I'm not sure how it works in every case, but those are usually two separate admin actions. When I retired, for example, my clearance remained active but would have expired if I hadn't taken another job that required it. When you leave a job you lose access and get read off of any special programs, but I don't think it automatically costs you your clearance.
 
Marauder06 said:
I'm not sure how it works in every case, but those are usually two separate admin actions. When I retired, for example, my clearance remained active but would have expired if I hadn't taken another job that required it. When you leave a job you lose access and get read off of any special programs, but I don't think it automatically costs you your clearance.
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As explained to me by my last contracting security officer, if you can "transfer" the entity responsible for your clearance from one company to another, it doesn't really expire. So, if you go from Company A to Company B, it stays active. 1:59 PM it goes off the books, 12:00 AM it goes to the new company. If there's a break, then it kind of goes into "limbo" as she called it. It is tied into "re-investigating" you for the clearance and some financial stuff for the gaining company.

When I left Lockheed in '06 and returned to them in '08, I had to do the full SF-86 stuff. I later saw that my renewal date was tied into my FIRST trip there in 2004. I'm not exactly sure about the "limbo" as she called it, but I liken it to putting a computer into sleep mode. You lose the clearance and access, but it is paused until you need it again.

That's probably a poor explanation.
 
Marauder06 said:
I'm not sure how it works in every case, but those are usually two separate admin actions. When I retired, for example, my clearance remained active but would have expired if I hadn't taken another job that required it. When you leave a job you lose access and get read off of any special programs, but I don't think it automatically costs you your clearance.
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Is there a way to be stripped of your clearance then? Cause from what I'm hearing, a clearance and connections it brings is the most valuable thing a GS brings to the table. That without it a lot of government employees wouldn't make it in private industry.

AWP said:
As explained to me by my last contracting security officer, if you can "transfer" the entity responsible for your clearance from one company to another, it doesn't really expire. So, if you go from Company A to Company B, it stays active. 1:59 PM it goes off the books, 12:00 AM it goes to the new company. If there's a break, then it kind of goes into "limbo" as she called it. It is tied into "re-investigating" you for the clearance and some financial stuff for the gaining company.

When I left Lockheed in '06 and returned to them in '08, I had to do the full SF-86 stuff. I later saw that my renewal date was tied into my FIRST trip there in 2004. I'm not exactly sure about the "limbo" as she called it, but I liken it to putting a computer into sleep mode. You lose the clearance and access, but it is paused until you need it again.

That's probably a poor explanation.
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Let's say a federal employee did something egregious. Like conduct illegal wiretapping operations, embezzling tax payer money, or working for a foreign government. Would there be a difference between being let go amicably or being fired?

General Flynn was stripped of his clearance over accusations of violating FARA. Would this mean that this law and others could be applied retroactively to the federal employees that committed misdeeds?
 
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R.Caerbannog said:
Is there a way to be stripped of your clearance then?
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Yes.

R.Caerbannog said:
Let's say a federal employee did something egregious. Like conduct illegal wiretapping operations, embezzling tax payer money, or working for a foreign government. Would there be a difference between being let go amicably or being fired?
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Yes.

Here's the analogy:

A house plant is the clearance you get once the the gardeners finish cultivating it (completing your investigation). These particular house plants have a 5-year lifespan with regular care (you work a job that requires it), but will survive for only maybe 1 year due to neglect alone (you lose the job requiring it, but not due to a clearance-related violation).

If you start taking care of it again within that 1 year (find a new clearance-required job), it'll stop wilting and live out the remainder of those 5 years.

If, on the other hand, you lost the job because you set the plant on fire or let the neighbor Rabbit munch on it (violated the terms of your clearance), then the plant dies and you restart the whole process when you hire in for a new job that requires it, but it'll be much harder to get the gardeners to trust you with a house plant again.

EDIT: Clarified a point or two.
 
Locksteady said:
Yes.

Yes.

Here's the analogy:

A house plant is the clearance you get once the the gardeners finish cultivating it (completing your investigation). House plants in this case have a 5-year lifespan with regular care (you work a job that requires it), but will survive for only maybe 1 year due to neglect alone (you lose the job requiring it, but not due to a clearance-related violation).

If you lose the job because you set the plant on fire or let the neighbor Rabbit munch on it (violated the terms of your clearance), then the plant dies and you restart the whole process when you hire in for a job that requires it, but it'll be much harder to get the gardeners to trust you with a house plant again.
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And you're flagged in the system for having it pulled which you have to explain. We did this to a guy overseas and I think he got his clearance back, but it took him months of work and a lot of companies won't spend the time on you.

But that's for us little people, not guys like Flynn.
 
Sooo...
...lets just say I have a GSA safe - it "LOOKS" like a 1967 Model Corvette Stingray painted Goodwood Green but it "Identifies" as a standard GSA safe.
...then lets say that I took a bunch of documents from my last job and stored them in my Goodwood Green 1967 Model Corvette Stingray GSA Safe
...but forgot to secure the safe
...but keep the safe in my "garage"

Am I good ?
 
AWP said:
Told ya'll so.

The people here who have talked about leaving aren't because we've seen the effects of CR funding. There are also questions about the gov't keeping its word on the payouts. Adding to that distrust is the repeated mantra of "national security" being exempt, but then we see cases where the CIA is offered a buyout....so we're exempt or we aren't? People don't trust the offer, period.
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I wish they only offered 3 months severance and credited those who were eligible for retirement at the fiscal year to retire early. I knew a mustang, this was before 15 year and blended retirement existed. Captain, he got RIFd with 9 months until 20 years.

When a normal company lays you off, you might be lucky to get a two month package.
 
Cookie_ said:
Rep Green
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Read the room, Al!

On the Politico story you might not be tracking- Politico got $8M of USAID money for subscriptions. Trump shut off USAID. Politico missed payroll for the first time ever.

Now, I have this issue with noticing. I noticed that the democrats are super mad about the USAID slush fund going away, and all the people calling for it are saying that USAID is politically motivated. Politico has been a stalwart anti-Trump voice that was (apparently) funded by an organization (USAID) that 97% of employees who donated politically did so to benefit left-wing causes. That noticing leads me to more questions.

The USAID scandal is going to be the scandal that blows the lid off the deep state, and we are just getting started.

(FWIW, Politico blamed the payroll issue on a "technical issue").
 
amlove21 said:
Read the room, Al!

On the Politico story you might not be tracking- Politico got $8M of USAID money for subscriptions. Trump shut off USAID. Politico missed payroll for the first time ever.

Now, I have this issue with noticing. I noticed that the democrats are super mad about the USAID slush fund going away, and all the people calling for it are saying that USAID is politically motivated. Politico has been a stalwart anti-Trump voice that was (apparently) funded by an organization (USAID) that 97% of employees who donated politically did so to benefit left-wing causes. That noticing leads me to more questions.

The USAID scandal is going to be the scandal that blows the lid off the deep state, and we are just getting started.

(FWIW, Politico blamed the payroll issue on a "technical issue").
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That seems like A LOT of money. There are various agencies doing similar contracts with the NYT. What I find interesting is that let's assume the last Trump Administration had that many subscriptions...should they not favor whichever administration is in power? To keep the spice flowing so to speak?
 
ThunderHorse said:
That seems like A LOT of money. There are various agencies doing similar contracts with the NYT. What I find interesting is that let's assume the last Trump Administration had that many subscriptions...should they not favor whichever administration is in power? To keep the spice flowing so to speak?
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That horse has left the barn, so to speak.

Remember the Supreme Court leak on Dobbs? Politico broke that story. That story was government funded. Remember the Hunter Biden laptop story? Government funded. Remember all the lies on Covid? Government. Funded. Propaganda.

I can't emphasize enough what a huge deal this is, and we are going to speed right by it in 3, 2, 1...
 

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