The Trump Presidency 2.0

Cookie_ said:
Regarding the Musk "five things you got done" emails: OPM does not have the authority to fire employees in other agencies, despite what he tweets.

Our offical guidance is "NGB and DOD have no idea what's going on, we're as suprised as you, no one is authorized to respond until OSD/SECDEF updates us".

Hell, Musk is clearly past the point of overstepping when even Kash Patel is directing people not to respond.
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Musk, SECDEF, et al serve at the pleasure of the President, who most certainly has the plenary authority to fire people in the executive branch, and the authority to direct others (like Bondi) he appointed to fire people in the judiciary.

The company of people in office space (“What would you say you do here?”) weren’t doing the firing. Lumberg was.

Musk isn’t firing anyone in regards to DOGE- he’s presenting the data and recommendations to his boss where the authority lies. No?
 
I don’t think Musk is as supervised as people think. I think DT gave Elmo some latitude to break shit and when eventually called on his excesses Elmo is easily fired and blamed.
 
Marauder06 said:
I wonder what the real purpose of this email instruction is. I don't think it's likely that the DOGE team will sort through the gazillion of potential emails. And even if they did, what are they going to do with the information?

Is the purpose to see who is willing to bend the knee to DOGE?
Is the purpose to identify potential fraud for people who are getting a paycheck but not really doing any work for the .gov?
Is the purpose to justify jobs, as the email makes it sound?
Is it.... ?
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I really just think it's another case of Elon saying "This worked at X, so clearly it will work here".
Some of these actions occur before an ends tate is developed, when seems to be the case here.
We already conduct reviews quarterly, so there is nothing being accomplished except having people spend time crafting an email because they're worried about being fired.

amlove21 said:
Musk, SECDEF, et al serve at the pleasure of the President, who most certainly has the plenary authority to fire people in the executive branch, and the authority to direct others (like Bondi) he appointed to fire people in the judiciary.

The company of people in office space (“What would you say you do here?”) weren’t doing the firing. Lumberg was.

Musk isn’t firing anyone in regards to DOGE- he’s presenting the data and recommendations to his boss where the authority lies. No?
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Bit of semantics, but the President does not have the authority to fire civil service staff, only political appointees. Aside from that, career staff cannot be fired without cause. Hell, technically probationary employees can only be if there is "specific reasoning", but they've got less rights to challenge that than I do.

Musk is the person directing emails from OPM and tweeting that failure to respond is a resignation. There is nothing communicated to any agency heads regarding what is going on, it's just a dude on a ketamine bender coming up with ideas while tweeting 200+ times a day.
 
Marauder06 said:
I have a government job but I'm in a situation where I don't have a .gov or a .mil email for work. So if I'm going to get fired for not responding to an email I didn't get... I guess I'll just be fired.
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Because of the RTO policy, none of my shop took our laptops home this weekend. Our guidance (before getting the word to wait) was to go to the office today and respond to the email. I'd have taken the Sunday 25% premium pay.
 
Cookie_ said:
Because of the RTO policy, none of my shop took our laptops home this weekend. Our guidance (before getting the word to wait) was to go to the office today and respond to the email. I'd have taken the Sunday 25% premium pay.
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You don’t have Outlook on you cell phone?
 
Cookie_ said:
I really just think it's another case of Elon saying "This worked at X, so clearly it will work here".
Some of these actions occur before an ends tate is developed, when seems to be the case here.
We already conduct reviews quarterly, so there is nothing being accomplished except having people spend time crafting an email because they're worried about being fired.



Bit of semantics, but the President does not have the authority to fire civil service staff, only political appointees. Aside from that, career staff cannot be fired without cause. Hell, technically probationary employees can only be if there is "specific reasoning", but they've got less rights to challenge that than I do.

Musk is the person directing emails from OPM and tweeting that failure to respond is a resignation. There is nothing communicated to any agency heads regarding what is going on, it's just a dude on a ketamine bender coming up with ideas while tweeting 200+ times a day.
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So you’re saying- we’ve uncovered a massive bureaucratic system where *the President of the United States* has no recourse to fire the people that work for him- only politically appointed individuals by the president- after receiving a clear mandate from the American people to do so?

I think that’s the issue at heart, right? Not the way it’s being communicated and by whom?

ETA- spelling
 
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Marauder06 said:
You don’t have Outlook on you cell phone?
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Some weirdness with getting a new CAC jacked up my Hypori, so I'll fix it next week.

The reason for going in the office was to write detailed qualitative and quantitative bullets. If nobody knows what they're looking for, better to send an email as if it's a quarterly review than just:

-reviewed training plans, coordinated meals, balanced budget, ordered OPRATS, finalized contracts.

amlove21 said:
So you’re saying- we’ve uncovered a massive bureaucratic system where *the President of the United States* has no recourse to fire the people that work for him- only politically appointed individuals by the president- after recovering a clear mandate from the American people to do so?

I think that’s the issue at heart, right? Not the way it’s being communicated and by whom?
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BLUF: DOGE is creating unnecessary legal issues and pushback by moving so quickly and unprofessionally, which may make it harder to accomplish stated goals.

More in depth:

I do have issues with the way it's being communicated, but that's mostly because it's wildly unprofessional and counterproductive. Whether it's Musk or someone else, tweets and spam-lookalike emails aren't proper, gov or private sector.

I'm saying there are laws in place that dictate exactly who has the authority to fire staff and how those firings must be conducted. Much like some of these EOs, they either need to follow the process or change the legislation.

The separation of authority to fire civil servants is to keep those positions non-political. We don't want to have a system in which millions of employees are being swapped out every 4-8 years if you want anything to be effective.

This is similar to my misgivings with the whole resignation thing. They could slow everything down from this "respond in 48 hours with 5 things" to "you have two weeks/1 month to conduct reviews and submit" and get much more accurate information to make decisions.
 
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ThunderHorse said:
George has other issues, with the whole XFL/UFL Sponsorship that led the Army nowhere...yet USAREC and Army Marketing been crushing it the past month.
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George was deployed as a BC in the same brigade as Hegseth. That's where I worked with him. I'd be surprised if Hegseth fired a fellow Rakkasan, but politics...
 
To say I dislike my supervisor is an understatement.

He should not have to send out a mass group text on a Sunday morning telling us to disregard the 5 things you did this week email until guidance is provided by the DoD.

Trump needs to fire Elon. If y'all don't see that now, you will.
 
Last week DOGE was kicking ass and taking names. We all cheered the uncovering of thousands of NGOs webbed into a collasal mesh if unaccountable money going all over Earth. Anybody not cheering is a F'n commie subversive.

This week looks bad, but DOGE must continue... I doubt Trump, Musk, or anybody will cut Fed positions by more than a few %...

Yeah its all chaotic and disorganized. Would you rather U.S. keep spending and taxing into the oblivion????

Get it together America! 🇺🇸

And it's spelled Doofus....
 
AWP said:
To say I dislike my supervisor is an understatement.

He should not have to send out a mass group text on a Sunday morning telling us to disregard the 5 things you did this week email until guidance is provided by the DoD.

Trump needs to fire Elon. If y'all don't see that now, you will.
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Well, unfortunately, you see, the president can’t just, like, fire people in the executive branch. It’s against the law. Elon has a family and there’s no cause! Plus we can’t do it without the appropriate checks and balances, you can’t just go around firing people in the government man, that’s not how it works.

😎
 
BlackSmokeRisinG said:
Last week DOGE was kicking ass and taking names. We all cheered the uncovering of thousands of NGOs webbed into a collasal mesh if unaccountable money going all over Earth. Anybody not cheering is a F'n commie subversive.

This week looks bad, but DOGE must continue... I doubt Trump, Musk, or anybody will cut Fed positions by more than a few %...

Yeah its all chaotic and disorganized. Would you rather U.S. keep spending and taxing into the oblivion????

Get it together America! 🇺🇸

And it's spelled Doofus....
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ALLADIS
 
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