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I’ve always heard the term used fairly unambiguously in reference to the removal of a person from a place with no significant harm done.
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In recent days I've heard it explained as taking someone 8 miles out of town and putting them 6 feet in the ground. So a murder. But again the only context I've heard it used in before literally this week is "cancelled" or "removed."
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So....we've moved on from 'terminating with (extreme) prejudice' to '86'?
Like @Marauder06 my only knowledge of it was from working in restaurants growing up and we were out of something.
Like @Marauder06 my only knowledge of it was from working in restaurants growing up and we were out of something.
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That seems like a stretch … but who knows. Growing up in restaurants I’ve always known it to mean “taken off the menu”. Which I guess could have an alternate meaning in this context?
I've heard of 86 as a stand in for murder as in "to take out" or throw out. "86 this guy and let's move on" kind of thing.
Widely used in that context? Don't know, don't care.
Had he photographed 187, there's no mistaking that for anything but murder.
What up, Godwin?
Widely used in that context? Don't know, don't care.
Had he photographed 187, there's no mistaking that for anything but murder.
What up, Godwin?
This is what ChatGPT had to say:
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The exact origin of the term "86" is debated, and multiple theories have been proposed. While its slang usage meaning to cancel, reject, eliminate, or be out of something is well known—especially in restaurant, bar, and military contexts—its etymology remains uncertain. Here are the most widely accepted theories:
While no single origin is definitive, "86" most likely originated from restaurant/bar shorthand in the early 20th century and evolved through Prohibition, military usage, and pop culture to take on broader meanings like eliminate, ban, or discard.
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The exact origin of the term "86" is debated, and multiple theories have been proposed. While its slang usage meaning to cancel, reject, eliminate, or be out of something is well known—especially in restaurant, bar, and military contexts—its etymology remains uncertain. Here are the most widely accepted theories:
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- Chumley’s Bar in New York City: One of the most popular theories traces "86" to Chumley’s, a historic speakeasy at 86 Bedford Street in NYC. During Prohibition, when police were about to raid the bar, staff allegedly told customers to "86 it" — meaning to leave through the back exit (on 86 Bedford).
- Diner and Soda Jerk Code: In the early to mid-20th century, soda jerks and short-order cooks used number codes to communicate orders quickly. "86" became code for "we're out of it" or "don't serve this."
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- In military lingo, especially during WWII and later, "86" was sometimes used to mean "throw away" or "eliminate" something or someone.
- Some claim it originated from military field forms, where form #86 was used to document the disposal of materiel.
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- One theory is that "86" rhymes with “nix”, a word meaning to cancel or veto.
- In old bartending code books, numbers were used to communicate across noisy environments. "86" may have signified refusing service or running out of a menu item.
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- The term became more widespread in the 1950s–70s, popularized in novels, crime fiction, and movies, often to mean "get rid of" or "kill" someone.
Summary
While no single origin is definitive, "86" most likely originated from restaurant/bar shorthand in the early 20th century and evolved through Prohibition, military usage, and pop culture to take on broader meanings like eliminate, ban, or discard.
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I'm sure Comey was just thinking as it from his time working in restaurants.. that's what's he's known for, yeah? Especially considering his new book is all about replacing food or something... no idea
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I saw Fox News quoting the Urban Dictionary website for that lmao.
Even outside of restaurants it's been pretty commonly slang for "get rid of"
@TLDR20 Colloquially, "86" means kick out, get rid of. In "mob speak" as everyone has pointed out, is a pretty common colloquialism for "murder". As my man @Florida173 said- Comey spent his entire career going after the mob. To play an ingenue with decades of experience with the mob is completely in line with who the man is.
That being said, calling for "the removal" of the president whether you're pretending to be a waiter or a mobster is just part and parcel with the left.
This whole thing is nonsense. Comey knew what he was doing, he wants to promote a book, and now he has that media. Moving on.
That being said, calling for "the removal" of the president whether you're pretending to be a waiter or a mobster is just part and parcel with the left.
This whole thing is nonsense. Comey knew what he was doing, he wants to promote a book, and now he has that media. Moving on.
Are we going to talk about the fact that the White House, media, big tech and the whole deep state covered up the fact that Joe Biden had aggressive prostate cancer for years or nah?
Here is the theory I find the most plausible, it just didn't work out for the Dems.
They hide Biden's diagnosis, Biden runs with Harris. Right about now, if it all worked out, they'd announce Biden has cancer, Harris takes the seat. Harris gets this term, and can run for two more as the darling "first woman of color President" and gets *at least* one more term out of it, maybe two.
That was the plan. 16 years of the Obama cabal running this nation.
Here is the theory I find the most plausible, it just didn't work out for the Dems.
They hide Biden's diagnosis, Biden runs with Harris. Right about now, if it all worked out, they'd announce Biden has cancer, Harris takes the seat. Harris gets this term, and can run for two more as the darling "first woman of color President" and gets *at least* one more term out of it, maybe two.
That was the plan. 16 years of the Obama cabal running this nation.
The way they handled his dementia and subsequent election debacle, I don't think they had a plan for anything. I think they had hopes and dreams once they knew they'd backed the wrong horse(s). They knew they could bury the cancer, but once his dementia was unavoidable to even diehard fans it fell apart, and they didn't know what to do. I even question them keeping her if Biden's re-elected. Swap out the VP candidate like FDR did in '44. I think they knew as early as 2022 they had problems with Biden-Harris but were stuck and had to play it out.
Tyson's quote about everyone has a plan until they are punched in the mouth comes to mind. The only difference here is they punched themselves.
Eh, I think he's just old as shit and they stopped testing. It fits with the general sort of incompetence I'd expect.
If it was a known and hidden thing, then its just another in the long tradition of hiding disabilities and medical issues in presidents.
Less concerned about hiding cancer than the (allegedly) very advanced dementia.
Every medical metric in the world supports that you don't get tested less or see doctors less as you get older- you see them way more. You get tested way more.
A 1st year med student could (and would) direct and perform the blood test or prostate check that would identify this problem with a 99% accuracy. Every dude on this board gets (or should get) routine prostate exams and bloodwork- and your position here is the White House medical staff just missed a prostate cancer so bad that it magically showed up with a Gleason score of 9 and metastasized to the bone because they said he was old? I get Hanlon's Razor (assume incompetence before maliciousness)- but that dog just absolutely does not hunt here.
The dementia/mental decline and cancer are linked. Drugs commonly used to treat this sort of cancer have severe impacts on cognition and overall mental health, and fatigue. So that makes sense why Biden called a lid at 1100 daily and took more vacation days (577, more than any president in 50 years, roughly 39% of his entire presidency. He was in treatment. It's a "chicken/egg" question on which one started first or was exacerbated by the other, but the facts remain. Everything that Biden has done- from autopen pardons to trade agreements to EO's to formalized policy- must now be questioned in the light of the fact that he was not mentally competent.
Biden had this cancer for years- there isn't a single medical professional on any show that is saying he could have somehow gotten this cancer in the last 100 days. The President gets a medical exam that's made public yearly, and this question- Biden's fitness for office- was talked about since he was campaigning from a basement and refused to give pressers.
Nothing is "alleged". We saw it all, I have been talking about it for 5 years, and the entire deep state establishment covered it up. Biden said he had cancer in a slip-up; know why? He wasn't mentally competent and he said crazy shit when he went off prompter. It's on video. The same people who walked that back and said he meant "skin cancer" continued to lie to you about his mental status and demonized and deplatformed people who said otherwise.
Egregious isn't even the right word. And to release the new on the same day the Hur tapes dropped- boy what a weird coincidence. I am sure that wasn't a cynical play to frame Biden as a poor old man with cancer as opposed to the worst president ever- and I hate Woodrow Wilson.
I think you're probably correct if we are starting the timeline after the debate that led to Biden's ouster.
I just can't believe that DOCTOR JILL BIDEN missed this one! (Kidding, she's a ghoul and should be mocked, shamed, and left to live on a hypothetical island of irrelevancy forever).
The real story is the absolute depravity of everyone on Team Biden- they knew, they lied, and they forced Joe out anyway. Disgusting.
Ah, that does change the optics a ton. I've been OOTL for a bit, so didn't know how closely timed those things were.
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The only way you go from nothing to metastatic cancer is if you don't look for it. Given that almost every man over 50 gets a PSA at least once a year, it's impossible they missed the prostate cancer. Impossible. You don't even need a biopsy or imaging, just the blood test. Once those numbers go north of 4, 4.5, it's game on with all of it: biopsy, imaging, surgery, chemo, radiation. And also given that those numbers trend high and don't go from 1 to 4.5 quickly and that metastatic disease is a result of long-term disease, he's had it more than a minute.
I don't know that dementia is related to treatment. I think his mental decline is parallel to, not because of, his cancer.
I don't know that dementia is related to treatment. I think his mental decline is parallel to, not because of, his cancer.
I wish there was a win here... there isn't. I take no joy in this, and as a matter of professionalism, I grant myself -1.Ah, that does change the optics a ton. I've been OOTL for a bit, so didn't know how closely timed those things were.
Yep- some drugs like Lupron have wide ranging side effects. Fatigue, depression- it's not a great drug. 2016/2017 studies out of JAMA and the Journal of Clinical oncology studies list some pretty serious impacts to dementia; but of course, those are disputed for a number of reasons.
Like I said- I think both things are true at the same time. Dude was old, probably had dementia, got the diagnosis, entered treatment, and declined rapidly before our eyes.
And everyone lied about it. All of them.
Legally I wonder if one has a case for nullifying a lot of his decisions, especially in his last year in office. Shake that Etch-a-Sketch. Z out that crypto. "86" them if you prefer.
And the second you do that it becomes some weapons grade shit. A Sword of Damocles hanging over American politics and every elected official. A perpetual zero-sum game.
So, this all becomes noise, yelling, shouting, screaming, killing electrons like this post, and that's it because no one wants the repercussions on their doorstep one day.
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