Two Dallas PD officers shot at protest

Kraut783 said:
There is always a grand jury on police shootings.
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Not necessarily true. In fact County Attorney Mike Freeman made the decision that police shootings would no longer be reviewed by a grand jury in Hennepin County.

The irony is, when this was announced after the Jamar Clark shooting, the Black Lives Matter groups were thrilled:

"I am overjoyed that in this instance Mike Freeman decided to do the right thing," said Nekima Levy-Pounds, president of the Minneapolis NAACP. "Mike Freeman is fully aware that the grand jury process has been ineffective here and nationally in holding officers accountable. I believe sustained community pressure played a huge role in Mike Freeman's decision."

Hennepin County to stop using grand juries in officer-involved shootings


But...


- to say they were 'un-thrilled' when the Hennepin County Attorney filed no charges against officers in the Jamar Clark shooting, would be an understatement.

Minneapolis NAACP President Nekima Levy-Pounds shook with emotion as she called for a “paradigm shift.” “We are in a land of disparities and a land in which we are treated like second-class citizens,” she said. “No matter how hard we try, no matter how hard we pound the pavement, no matter how much we lift our voices, they don’t want to give us justice.”

Feds say no civil rights prosecution in Jamar Clark's death

To Add: Since this most recent shooting took place in Ramsey County, I believe that a grand jury will be convened.
 
ThunderHorse said:
Jay Stalien - I have come to realize something that is... | Facebook
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Excellent posting. I think one specific segment bears repeating, and remembering to those that roll their eyes when told if you were not there, or have not been trained, you know nothing. As mentioned before, wait for the facts.

I realized that this country is full of ignorance, where an educated individual will watch the ratings-driven news media, and watch a couple YouTube video clips, and then come to the conclusion that they have all the knowledge they need to have in order to know what it feels like to have a bullet proof vest as part of your office equipment, “Stay Alive” as part of your daily to do list, and having insurance for your health insurance because of the high rate of death in your profession. They watch a couple videos and then they magically know in 2 minutes 35 seconds, how you are supposed to handle a violent encounter, which took you 6 months of Academy training, 2 – 3 months of field training, and countless years of blood, sweat, tears and broken bones experiencing violent encounters and fine tuning your execution of the Use of Force Continuum.
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Ooh-Rah said:
Not necessarily true. In fact County Attorney Mike Freeman made the decision that police shootings would no longer be reviewed by a grand jury in Hennepin County.
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Interesting....but maybe not a good idea. Full investigation of the incident then Grand Jury review...is really the only way to go.

Anyway...it is a standard in Texas.
 
So...early this AM, a gun store in Waxahachie, Texas....just south of Dallas, was burglarized, about 17 guns taken.

"Waxahachie police say just before 3 a.m., multiple suspects stole a truck and used it to ram into the wall of Shooter's Edge, located along U.S. 287, just west of U.S. 77."

"The ATF says 12 handguns, 3 AR style high powered rifles, 1AK style high powered rifle and 1 shotgun were reported stolen"

This ain't good....

Suspects at-large after gun store robbed in Waxahachie
 
Some agencies have regional review panel's for UOF. Generally they will have members of the community, officers from other agencies, lawyers, etc. But in Texas, all homicides (justified or not) go to the grand jury.
 
As a general interest bit of tidbit. Police shootings here are investigated by the IPCA (IPCA - Independent Police Conduct Authority of New Zealand), by the police and by the Coroner. The IPCA will recommend charges or not to the police who will also come to their own independent decision if need be. The Coroner is obviously there in case of death so might not be involved for a non-fatal shooting.

Example of an IPCA report into a shooting during a hostage rescue at a hotel.

http://www.ipca.govt.nz/includes/download.aspx?ID=135477

I don't put this out here as a "we're better" post or anything like that but rather to compare a slightly different way of doing it.
 
Kraut783 said:
So...early this AM, a gun store in Waxahachie, Texas....just south of Dallas, was burglarized, about 17 guns taken.

"Waxahachie police say just before 3 a.m., multiple suspects stole a truck and used it to ram into the wall of Shooter's Edge, located along U.S. 287, just west of U.S. 77."

"The ATF says 12 handguns, 3 AR style high powered rifles, 1AK style high powered rifle and 1 shotgun were reported stolen"

This ain't good....

Suspects at-large after gun store robbed in Waxahachie
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Yup, nothing good at all. There was no mention of ammo being taken. Given the ammo shortage, I'll bet they grabbed ammo as well.
 
Observation A -
For today I am going to suppress my natural cynicism and choose to believe this happened exactly the way it is depicted in the video and that it will last more that 5 minutes.

Observation B -
How come everytime a bunch of rednecks get together, they insist on flying the Marine Corps flag along with their other ones?

ETA - Yes, I know I've opened myself up to myriad of Marine jokes, but it is something I have noticed.

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10155021168221509
 
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Dallas police chief says ‘we’re asking cops to do too much in this country’

We’re asking cops to do too much in this country,” Brown said at a briefing Monday. “We are. Every societal failure, we put it off on the cops to solve. Not enough mental health funding, let the cops handle it. Here in Dallas we got a loose dog problem; let’s have the cops chase loose dogs. Schools fail, let’s give it to the cops. That’s too much to ask. Policing was never meant to solve all those problems.”


I do like this quote the best.

What say you others cops on here? @policemedic ?
 
His observation regarding the reduction in funding mental health needs, criminalizes the mentally ill. It puts LEOs in a very bad position. If there is a health care issue that is just screaming for help, it is the lack of care for peoples in need of care, not incarceration.
 
Marine0311 said:
Dallas police chief says ‘we’re asking cops to do too much in this country’

We’re asking cops to do too much in this country,” Brown said at a briefing Monday. “We are. Every societal failure, we put it off on the cops to solve. Not enough mental health funding, let the cops handle it. Here in Dallas we got a loose dog problem; let’s have the cops chase loose dogs. Schools fail, let’s give it to the cops. That’s too much to ask. Policing was never meant to solve all those problems.”


I do like this quote the best.

What say you others cops on here? @policemedic ?
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I agree......we seem to be the catch all.

I like that Chief Brown told USSS that DPD cannot be the lead on the Obama protection....that DPD is tapped out. Arlington PD is taking the lead.
 

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