I think any sane person will agree that gun control has nothing to do with crime suppression or protecting people. It's purely rooted in ignorance and hysteria of the sheepeople and the political agenda of socialism.
United States & Gun Control discussion.
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I would guess the NRA ILA will be all over any EO, and it'll get shut off quickly.
Too bad the Republicans fear the press more than their constituents.
Too bad the Republicans fear the press more than their constituents.
Devildoc
Verified Military
Truth.
Not only this, but out of the thousands of gun related deaths ever year, only a little over 100 are linked to Rifles (including tactical "assault" rifles). The vast majority of gun related deaths are gangs and criminals using handguns on each other.
- There are roughly 32,000 gun deaths per year in the United States.
- Of those, around 60% are suicides.
- About 3% are accidental deaths (between 700-800 deaths).
- About 34% of deaths (just over 11,000 in both 2010 and 2011) make up the remainder of gun deaths and are classified as homicides.
- In big cities (such as Chicago) as much as 80% of homicides are gang related The Year in Murder: 2013 Marks a Historic Low for Many Cities
They have to use an EO. Legislation will get shot down or result in an expensive and public fight within Congress. As for the Constitution, I firmly believe no one wants to touch that issue. Sure, people will bitch, snivel, and whine about it being "archaic" but propose amending the Constitution and see what happens. That's a modern Pandora's Box no lawmaker wants to open.
An EO is "practical" and gives his administration a W on its supporters' scoreboard. He's running out of time and looking for something to offset our Mideast Debacle.
If anything, banning private sales, or severely restricting them, plays into their hands if an overall or specific ban were implemented. They could charge those selling off their weapons, plus the buyers, and accelerate a "no guns for anyone but the State" agenda. In a much larger picture it chips away at the resolve of our police and military in the event of confiscation; it goes from "Hell no" to "well, it IS the law....". That'll take another generation though.
You know, if this were on House of Cards or some other TV show half of the viewing audience and every trade publication would see through his intent. Place the same events in real life and people suddenly become very stupid.
An EO is "practical" and gives his administration a W on its supporters' scoreboard. He's running out of time and looking for something to offset our Mideast Debacle.
If anything, banning private sales, or severely restricting them, plays into their hands if an overall or specific ban were implemented. They could charge those selling off their weapons, plus the buyers, and accelerate a "no guns for anyone but the State" agenda. In a much larger picture it chips away at the resolve of our police and military in the event of confiscation; it goes from "Hell no" to "well, it IS the law....". That'll take another generation though.
You know, if this were on House of Cards or some other TV show half of the viewing audience and every trade publication would see through his intent. Place the same events in real life and people suddenly become very stupid.
Brill
SOF Support
Biden would tongue his SS detail. Where are you going with this?:-/
Brill
SOF Support
Devildoc
Verified Military
Good question. It's been a while but I don't think SNs are parts of a NICS request, just on the 4473.
No, but the dealers books id a serial number with a buyer.
Brill
SOF Support
Is this really what we've become?
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policemedic
Verified SWAT
Yes.
And this is exactly why the No-Fly list should not be used as a disqualifier for firearms purchases.
Which is why the no-fly list should be unconstitutional.
Like the right to travel?
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Kraut783
SOF Support
You mean a federal gun registry? No, there's not one....at least at this present time. You can trace serial numbers to the first gun sale, but if sold privately after that there is no record. NIC checks are destroyed within 24hrs, are not allowed to be placed into a searchable database, under federal law. You can't run a name through a database to see what guns he has bought and such.
policemedic
Verified SWAT
But you can at the state level, to a greater or lesser degree. That's assuming it was a dealer sale.
I also have my doubts about BATFE's integrity, but that's me.
Kraut783
SOF Support
Well, all dealer sales are traceable through E-Trace...but again, that is only for sales with unbroken dealer sales. You can only trace the weapon, not a person. Now, on the State side:
States that Require Registration of All Firearms
District of Columbia
Hawaii
States that Require Registration of Handguns
New York
States that Require New Residents to Report Their Firearms
California
Maryland (handguns and assault weapons)
States that Require Registration of Pre-Ban Assault Weapons or 50 Caliber Rifles
California (assault weapons and 50 caliber rifles)
Connecticut (assault weapons and large capacity magazines)
Hawaii (assault pistols)
Maryland (assault pistols)
New Jersey (assault weapons)
New York (assault weapons)
States that Prohibit Registries of Firearms by law
Delaware
Florida
Georgia
Idaho
Pennsylvania
Rhode Island
South Dakota
Vermont
Etrace the sale to the dealer who is required by BATFE to maintain records of sale... It may not be as easy as run the serial # and bam Harry Homeowner, but still traceable. Well until you go to Harry Homeowner and he states "oh yeah I sold that at a gun show" hints their idea of a gun show loop hole. Which we all understand as a private party sell. But yeah...
policemedic
Verified SWAT
Trust me, PA has a registry. I used it the other day.
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Is that FFLs reporting sales?
