Women in Combat Arms/ SOF Discussion

DA SWO said:
Please stop linking to Military Times, you need a paid subscription to read after looking at a set number of stories.

Copy paste works quite well.
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Funny, I can open the pages fine and I don't have a subscription with them. I wonder how many times you have to open it to be blocked... :-/
 
Women in Ranger School update.

Nineteen women started with Class 6-15, which reported on 19 April and started on 20 April. Of these, only 8 made it out of RAP week.

All 8 failed the Darby phase, and all 8 will be recycled. Of these, 6 were boarded and recycled at battalion level. The last two were boarded and recycled at brigade level.

Some were recycled for peer reports, some were for spot reports, some were for patrols, some for more than one reason. Each had at least two patrols.

The 8 (and the very substantial number of males who also failed Darby) will go to the Gulag tomorrow and retrain until next Friday, when they will join Class 7-15 after it completes RAP/ foot march. Class 7-15 reports on 10 May and starts on 11 May. Scheduled graduation is 10 July.
 
Ranger Psych said:
Women in Ranger School update.

Nineteen women started with Class 6-15, which reported on 19 April and started on 20 April. Of these, only 8 made it out of RAP week.

All 8 failed the Darby phase, and all 8 will be recycled. Of these, 6 were boarded and recycled at battalion level. The last two were boarded and recycled at brigade level.

Some were recycled for peer reports, some were for spot reports, some were for patrols, some for more than one reason. Each had at least two patrols.

The 8 (and the very substantial number of males who also failed Darby) will go to the Gulag tomorrow and retrain until next Friday, when they will join Class 7-15 after it completes RAP/ foot march. Class 7-15 reports on 10 May and starts on 11 May. Scheduled graduation is 10 July.
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Could you explain what they failed in a bit more detail? What is Darby and the Gulag?
 
Tell you what, I May not know the Ranger definition,but the idea of being sent to the Gulag for retraining does not sound like something that would be an enjoyable experience!
 
Ooh-Rah said:
Tell you what, I May not know the Ranger definition,but the idea of being sent to the Gulag for retraining does not sound like something that would be an enjoyable experience!
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It's not bad... Aside from the self imposed self hatred of being a recycle, you PT, do combatives and constantly retrain. The cadre are extremely professional, the classes and PEs are excellent. Three meals a day to get weight back up and when you aren't training you assist cadre with details. Being a good recycle with a good attitude goes a long way to get through the rest of the course.

Let me put it like this... I was so impressed by the recycle cadre, one of them pinned on my ranger tab when I finally graduated. I'll never forget him.

The ranger candidates will be fine. There's no date-time group on the tab.
 
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RAP week: First week in Ranger school, no sleep smokefest, obstacle courses, PT test, runs, rucks, land nav etc. The absolute basic shit that you need to be able to do to qualify as a Ranger. Rapid fire, 4 hrs of "sleep" max, usually less due to having to have shit tied down for inspections etc and your tiedown time is your rack time.
Darby: Squad level patrol classes and squad level graded patrols.
Mountains: Mountaineering and rotary wing classes, Platoon level patrol classes and graded patrols that will involve mountaineering tasks and rotary wing operations.
Florida: Jungle/waterborne/airborne training classes, platoon level patrol classes and graded patrols that will include airborne/waterborne operations

Gulag: Recycle "platoon". 2/3 retraining courses on the shit that everyone fucked up as a student, 1/3 bitch details as necessary to help get things squared away for the next class. This time of year, heavier focus on retraining. During winter/summer block leave timeframe for RTB where you recycled, it goes to about 1/2 1/2.
 
I honestly didn't expect the females to have problems with Darby. Darby, in my opinion, was the least difficult phase.

I'll be interested to see the reporting perspective of a 0% pass rate, especially after the excitement following RAP week.
 
My good buddy is in the class, he passed Darby. He was a private in BN, currently infantry officer. He said the class was the hardest thing he has been through. He said in an effort to maintain the standard they probably went a bit overboard.

His company only had 37 guys make it. 80% total attrition.
 
TLDR20 said:
My good buddy is in the class, he passed Darby. He was a private in BN, currently infantry officer. He said the class was the hardest thing he has been through. He said in an effort to maintain the standard they probably went a bit overboard.

His company only had 37 guys make it. 80% total attrition.
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There is obviously a scale of interpretation. Mentality from company to company, or from RI to RI, can vary greatly.

However, if he went through RIP, and was a private in Batt, I'm surprised he thought that was the hardest thing. It's big Army rules and pre-Ranger was much more difficult than Darby, in my opinion.

Was he RFS'd from BN before he got a shot at RS? Just wondering why he was a private at BN and didn't go to school?
 
Worldweaver said:
There is obviously a scale of interpretation. Mentality from company to company, or from RI to RI, can vary greatly.

However, if he went through RIP, and was a private in Batt, I'm surprised he thought that was the hardest thing. It's big Army rules and pre-Ranger was much more difficult than Darby, in my opinion.

Was he RFS'd from BN before he got a shot at RS? Just wondering why he was a private at BN and didn't go to school?
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He was a SOCM medic, didn't go to RS. He did get RFS'ed. He did say however that it was harder than RIP. He went through RIP in 06, so take that for what it is worth. He certainly isn't a shitbag, and I take his word that it was pretty rough.

I am curious how these females are going to do on the RPAT now that they have been getting the shit smoked out of them for the last month+.
 
TLDR20 said:
I am curious how these females are going to do on the RPAT now that they have been getting the shit smoked out of them for the last month+.
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Wasn't it stated above that they would be joining the next class after RAP week? They may not need to do another RPAT since they've passed before.
 
Worldweaver said:
If he thought Darby was difficult tell him to mentally prepare for mountains.



That is correct, will join with the new class after the 12-miler.
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He said Darby was hard because they kept up the smoke, not the patrolling. He is gonna do fine.

I thought some of the recycles may have been day 1.
 

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