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Women in Combat Arms/ SOF Discussion
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Devildoc
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I went to boot late winter/early spring. Every major and minor holiday of ANY time I always asked the RDCs if we could have the day off. At first they all yelled and quarterdecked me (which I knew they would), but after a while it was kind of a running joke and every day they would ask, "Hey, Recruit, what's the holiday today?" I would just make up some bullshit, and whatever day of the month it was, we would do an extra number of pushups at the end of morning PT to celebrate that holiday (real or not).
Semi-disagree on the cell phones.
Lackland was having crappy support from the company that maintained the pay phones so they got rid of them and trainees get 15 min of call time every Sunday (which saves time by having everyone call in two shifts).
Otherwise the phones are locked up with no access until the last couple of weeks (which I disagree with)
We had no liberty or leave at any time during boot camp, ITR or MOS school. Your family could visit you on boot camp graduation day but you could not leave the base.
At SOI for infantry training/advanced infantry or machine gun school, an adult relative could check you out for the afternoon on Sunday only, but you had to be back in your rack by lights-out.
You got no unsupervised or unescorted liberty or leave until all your training was over--about 6 months--then you got your 30 days before reporting to the Fleet.
At SOI for infantry training/advanced infantry or machine gun school, an adult relative could check you out for the afternoon on Sunday only, but you had to be back in your rack by lights-out.
You got no unsupervised or unescorted liberty or leave until all your training was over--about 6 months--then you got your 30 days before reporting to the Fleet.
The Marine Corps solves that problem by allowing two phone calls. Once when you arrive to tell your parents you have arrived safely and after you graduate.
I don't even remember getting that. Got one phone call after the crucible, and that was it. As for graduation, I just gave them instructions via snail mail and hoped they didn't have any hiccups.
I mean you get as many calls as you want after you have graduated and leave the recruit depot.
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That's roughly how my BCT ran it - phones were locked up for the cycle, and broken out during what would ordinarily be the "phone call" time block (once per phase, so 3x total) for 45-60 minutes. We got more time on the phone, it took less time out of the training schedule, and on the whole, seemed like a more sensible way to do business than the "line at the pay phone" routine.
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We got a phone call when we arrived, one on Christmas, and one the week before graduating. Those were all with cell phones and about 15 min each. We also got one patio break where we used the 2 pay phones still in service at the squadron. Our phones were given back when we got on the bus to go to Tech School.
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Here is the Marine Corps new gender neutral standards table. They are going to design a new PFT/CFT standard (i.e. a higher PFT/CFT score requirement) now for combat arms vs non-combat arms. They will also create a different PT test of some sort for load bearing combat arms MOSes i.e. infantry, engineers, recon etc. I'm not sure what that will look like but it will include a road march with full combat load. Recon already has a different PFT (500 yd swim, pushups, situps, pullups, 1.5 mile run in boots & utes, 12 mile ruck run (50 lbs), and back to back obstacle courses) that has to be performed in addition to the current PFT/CFT.
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Anyone in Norway have SA on this? Norway's "Hunter Troop"
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Interesting link.
That they are straight out of highschool is facilitated by early aptitude testing and grooming. The Europeans have a much different approach to education from the begining of highschool, or earlier, and into post highschool education and training. Knowing that makes finding and training candidates a multi-year project. Is it a good idea? Seems to work for Norway. I guess the next question is if there is an all male SOF counterpart, with a seperate tract?
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A hot chick who can also kick your butt, that's something to see...
Article written by former Ranger Jack Murphy.
Proof that standards will be dropped for females entering the 75th Ranger Regiment | SOFREP
"About a month and a half ago, a female JSOC (Joint Special Operations Command) staffer arrived at Fort Benning to begin shadowing the RASP instructors. It was an unofficial position, but she has been present with the last three RASP classes to ensure that the course curriculum remains the same now as it does when the first female student arrives at RASP in May.
Sadly, the standards were already low when this female JSOC staff member arrived, as RASP students were not allowed to quit, or be failed for land navigation, failed the 12-mile ruck march, and even failed the APTF, but still graduated from the course. The bar had been set very low, low enough to ensure that women could graduate from RASP regardless of whether or not they met the standards.
This was pre-engineered to give a sense of equality, yet nothing about the implementation of females into special operations has been equal. When RASP cadre are informed that if they even think of disagreeing with the inclusion of female Rangers, they’d be committing career suicide; when they are forced to sit through multiple briefs outlining the integration process, yet have no input on how this could be done more transparently and effectively; there are bigger issues at hand than just fighting for more females to get opportunity for career advancement. "
Thought I would share considering we have a lot of Rangers here on SS and especially since it's been a hot topic... A lot of members here called it about standards being changed.
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Proof that standards will be dropped for females entering the 75th Ranger Regiment | SOFREP
"About a month and a half ago, a female JSOC (Joint Special Operations Command) staffer arrived at Fort Benning to begin shadowing the RASP instructors. It was an unofficial position, but she has been present with the last three RASP classes to ensure that the course curriculum remains the same now as it does when the first female student arrives at RASP in May.
Sadly, the standards were already low when this female JSOC staff member arrived, as RASP students were not allowed to quit, or be failed for land navigation, failed the 12-mile ruck march, and even failed the APTF, but still graduated from the course. The bar had been set very low, low enough to ensure that women could graduate from RASP regardless of whether or not they met the standards.
This was pre-engineered to give a sense of equality, yet nothing about the implementation of females into special operations has been equal. When RASP cadre are informed that if they even think of disagreeing with the inclusion of female Rangers, they’d be committing career suicide; when they are forced to sit through multiple briefs outlining the integration process, yet have no input on how this could be done more transparently and effectively; there are bigger issues at hand than just fighting for more females to get opportunity for career advancement. "
Thought I would share considering we have a lot of Rangers here on SS and especially since it's been a hot topic... A lot of members here called it about standards being changed.
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I don't know the context of the video, but did you see the look on the dude's face who pulled him off? It was a, "what are you doing going after a girl!" look.
That look tells me a thousand stories - the first being there would be no look if it was another dude getting his ass beat with a pugil stick.
That look tells me a thousand stories - the first being there would be no look if it was another dude getting his ass beat with a pugil stick.
She stopped and the dude never stopped charging.
Good on him for taking care of business.
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That video...I don't know if the fundamental difference was that the dude was just more aggressive by nature and she was not, or what. Like Ooh-Rah said, there's little context. I have seen some women just pummel the shit out of each other at Wal-Mart over the last fried chicken, so I know that if properly motivated they will NOT stop or let up.
I watched it a few more times, she reaches out for her stick once on the ground (i.e. she still had fight left in her).
That said, she still got her ass handed to her.
The instructors give you a pep talk at the pugil course to fire up aggression and the killer instinct. They want you screaming like a banshee and they want to see total aggressive commitment, absolutely no hesitation, no quarter, you attack like a rabid dog.
I might get hammered for this statement, but I'm not so sure that most women possess that kind of natural innate aggressive vein that can be tapped into through motivational speech. Certainly they possess a ferocious maternal protective instinct...but how available is it when there's nothing to protect? How do you turn that on?
I might get hammered for this statement, but I'm not so sure that most women possess that kind of natural innate aggressive vein that can be tapped into through motivational speech. Certainly they possess a ferocious maternal protective instinct...but how available is it when there's nothing to protect? How do you turn that on?
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