Women in Combat Arms/ SOF Discussion

[ThunderHorse]

My line of thinking is that, Congress being the political pressure to the DoD to open combat jobs to females across the services. Would step up, amend the selective service act, going forward they can tell the DoD. You can now recruit all genders to fill any role within the DoD as they can both be drafted in a time of war and then start the clock.

 

[Ranger Psych]

Exactly how do you think congress is behind this?

 

[Devildoc]

He gets paid the big bu.. i mean.. he's in that cabinet mafia... i mean.. he's got that Executive schedule II rank.. i mean.. he has the best interest for the military: he knows best. He doesn't need to see the study, or how the Marine Corps operates for that matter.

Well, he was on a ship in the Navy for 2 years in the early 70s, so that makes him an expert...right??

 

[Devildoc]

I don't know that I think that is true. If they were not allowed in combat jobs, what were we going to draft them to do? We only need so many wheeled vehicle mechanics. Now that all jobs are open...draft them bitches.

Spot on. I understand manning levels are down, ostensibly because of the typical post-conflict drawdowns, but there are a lot of MOSs/NECs that are critically undermanned--er, understaffed (whew...almost blew it). Give them what they want. Instead of avoiding it, now that it is fait accompli, fucking go all-out to implement it, set the standards, open the doors, including the draft. You want it? With pleasure, and with a fire hose.

 

[DA SWO]

My line of thinking is that, Congress being the political pressure to the DoD to open combat jobs to females across the services. Would step up, amend the selective service act, going forward they can tell the DoD. You can now recruit all genders to fill any role within the DoD as they can both be drafted in a time of war and then start the clock.

Exactly how do you think congress is behind this?

The original ruling was Congress excluded women from direct combat "jobs" and Draftees traditionally went into those jobs so not registering women wasn't discrimination.

What should have happened is Congress (or DoD asking Congress) should have put a provision into the last Defense Bill amanding the draft to include women, but Republicans (as a group) are against women in direct combat and Democrats know their base would go apeshit if we actually treated women as equals (in this situation).

Now the GO's have called both sides out.

 

[AWP]

Congress would be nuked from orbit if they put registration before the service chiefs had a chance to do their little kabuki theater. The outcome was preordained, but the illusion or perception matters. Making women register for the draft before opening all jobs to women would have added drama to an already ugly spectacle. There was a fiction to maintain.

 

[CDG]

First female enlistee from TN for a combat job goes AWOL.

First Female Combat Engineer Enlistee From Tennessee Goes AWOL

I realize this is a one-person event and my posting it is not meant as a commentary on any other females. This is rather ironic though. Mother of 2 decides she wants to be GI Jane, then after going back home can't even manage to come back to work? Clownshoes.

 

[DA SWO]

First female enlistee from TN for a combat job goes AWOL.

First Female Combat Engineer Enlistee From Tennessee Goes AWOL

I realize this is a one-person event and my posting it is not meant as a commentary on any other females. This is rather ironic though. Mother of 2 decides she wants to be GI Jane, then after going back home can't even manage to come back to work? Clownshoes.

Clown shoes all around.
They should (maybe did IDK) have talked to hubby and explained what happens when she is caught.
It's also possible something bad has happened to her, and that possibility isn't being explored in the rush to make fun of her (not you @CDG )

 

[Hillclimb]

Well, he was on a ship in the Navy for 2 years in the early 70s, so that makes him an expert...right??

Absolutely!

 

[ThunderHorse]

Saw something on the ticker and it took me some time to find it. Although I think Hunter should vote for his own bill: Lawmakers introduce bill to make women take part in the draft

Ladies, time to sign up.

 

[Marine0311]

Saw something on the ticker and it took me some time to find it. Although I think Hunter should vote for his own bill: Lawmakers introduce bill to make women take part in the draft

Ladies, time to sign up.

Good.

 

[DA SWO]

Saw something on the ticker and it took me some time to find it. Although I think Hunter should vote for his own bill: Lawmakers introduce bill to make women take part in the draft

Ladies, time to sign up.

I think introducing a bill and voting against it is ghey and a waste of time.

 

[Ooh-Rah]

First female enlistee from TN for a combat job goes AWOL.

First Female Combat Engineer Enlistee From Tennessee Goes AWOL

I realize this is a one-person event and my posting it is not meant as a commentary on any other females. This is rather ironic though. Mother of 2 decides she wants to be GI Jane, then after going back home can't even manage to come back to work? Clownshoes.

Hey, look who we found!

4th-ever US female in combat role turns herself in after deserting

 

[ThunderHorse]

That's the fastest I've ever seen someone come back once the news went off.

 

[racing_kitty]

The news reports keep saying she was on convalescent leave. Wonder what the injury was? Not that it makes her actions ok, but I'm just curious about what her frame of mind was (small as it may be).

 

[ThunderHorse]

I still can't believe kids go home for Christmas while in basic these days. But if she was 11 weeks into training...shouldn't she be in the AIT portion since Army BCT is 10 weeks.

 

[Ranger Psych]

"these days"

I had christmas exodus in '97. 18th birthday present from the army was 2 weeks advance leave, running and doing PT in a town I didn't grow up in, with a 5k elevation increase. Yay.

 

[ThunderHorse]

"these days"

I had christmas exodus in '97. 18th birthday present from the army was 2 weeks advance leave, running and doing PT in a town I didn't grow up in, with a 5k elevation increase. Yay.

Didn't know exodus in the Army went back that far. I know so many people in the Corps and I guess an even older Army that never went home. Got the day for Church and went back to training. Hell, one of my friends was at Mountains phase Christmas of '99...says they trained through it. (Does that check out?)

 

[Marine0311]

No leave during boot when I went through and I don't know any Marine I have ever meet that had it either. I'm talking about decades.

 

[compforce]

Didn't know exodus in the Army went back that far. I know so many people in the Corps and I guess an even older Army that never went home. Got the day for Church and went back to training. Hell, one of my friends was at Mountains phase Christmas of '99...says they trained through it. (Does that check out?)

1986 Christmas Exodus was alive and well at Benning School for Boys OSUT. I missed it by graduating on 11 DEC, but the rotation behind us went on leave the same day we graduated AIT. We also had a 24 hour pass between Basic and AIT. That was it though.