Women in Combat Arms/ SOF Discussion

Ocoka One said:
I might get hammered for this statement, but I'm not so sure that most women possess that kind of natural innate aggressive vein that can be tapped into through motivational speech. Certainly they possess a ferocious maternal protective instinct...but how available is it when there's nothing to protect? How do you turn that on?
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Great question. My wife is not "aggressive" by nature, but if she even thinks there is a threat to one of the kids, Holy Can of Whoop Ass, Batman, she turns 'it' on.

Honey badger comes to mind.
 
Ocoka One said:
The instructors give you a pep talk at the pugil course to fire up aggression and the killer instinct. They want you screaming like a banshee and they want to see total aggressive commitment, absolutely no hesitation, no quarter, you attack like a rabid dog.

I might get hammered for this statement, but I'm not so sure that most women possess that kind of natural innate aggressive vein that can be tapped into through motivational speech. Certainly they possess a ferocious maternal protective instinct...but how available is it when there's nothing to protect? How do you turn that on?
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You find a reason. There is ALWAYS something worth protecting, your life. You treat every training exercise like they are going to kill you. When RP was teaching me combatives he learned just how far I will let it go before I tap. It's also a matter of pride, I want to get one good lick before I'm out.

If it's a threat to my daughter, watch out. She doesn't need Daddy, she has Mommy who can be bat shit insane and not quit.
 
Same way we did it with men thousands of years ago, you train them, you beat it into them. The Spartan way etc...but then we've softened on the male side too, we seem to not want alphas anymore based on this microaggressed society.
 
ThunderHorse said:
The Spartan way etc...but then we've softened on the male side too, we seem to not want alphas anymore based on this microaggressed society.
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Nature vs nurture? I don't know. I had a coworker a few years ago who threatened to call HR because I would "get in his space." WTF? I wasn't any different with him than any other person. He couldn't simply say, "hey, can you back off a bit?"

I have noticed this microagressive nature in fellow man, which is definitely contrasted by the "macroaggressive" nature in the wolves out there.
 
Everyone thinks they are equal until they are laying in the dirt with the metallic taste of blood in their mouth. Some men aren't equal to others, some women aren't equal to men, etc. That isn't a slight, that's just life. "Some" being the important word here. There are some men out there who would lose to her, but on that day a southbound CSX caught her stopped at a crossing. The outcome was preordained and "how bad" was the only question to answer.
 
I wouldn't step into a cage with the likes of Ronda Rousey, Holy Holms, Measha Tate. All three would beat the crap out of me. Doesn't mean they would make good infantry soldier's or mean that they can survive in that world/role.
 
Diamondback 2/2 said:
I wouldn't step into a cage with the likes of Ronda Rousey, Holy Holms, Measha Tate. All three would beat the crap out of me. Doesn't mean they would make good infantry soldier's or mean that they can survive in that world/role.
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Yep...being a "Grunt" is a whole different monster.
 
My issue with that video was the actions of the instructors.

That female took the knock and immediately went about trying to get back into the fight. The instructors were the ones who had a shit fit and stopped the whole thing while she was looking to keep going.

Such bullshit.
 
Poccington said:
My issue with that video was the actions of the instructors.

That female took the knock and immediately went about trying to get back into the fight. The instructors were the ones who had a shit fit and stopped the whole thing while she was looking to keep going.

Such bullshit.
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Excellent point. Because if she'd been a man they would have screamed at his ass to get back up and get into the fight instead of racing to "protect" her...and in this you've hit the crux of this entire problem. There is a tendency for us to want to protect women and come to their defense..and in a coed military environment, that's not only favoritism, it's the subconscious lowering of standards.
 
Ocoka One said:
Excellent point. Because if she'd been a man they would have screamed at his ass to get back up and get into the fight instead of racing to "protect" her...and in this you've hit the crux of this entire problem. There is a tendency for us to want to protect women and come to their defense..and in a coed military environment, that's not only favoritism, it's the subconscious lowering of standards.
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Yep...without a doubt or a thought...males would have their protective tendencies "kick-in" whether they want it to or not. That isn't a good or a bad thing...it's just what it is. We are wired that way.
 
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Ocoka One said:
Excellent point. Because if she'd been a man they would have screamed at his ass to get back up and get into the fight instead of racing to "protect" her...and in this you've hit the crux of this entire problem. There is a tendency for us to want to protect women and come to their defense..and in a coed military environment, that's not only favoritism, it's the subconscious lowering of standards.
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And, from an O's point of view, quite a pointlessly dangerous behavior.

Speaking from my branch's perspective, anyone who has ever seen an Infantry platoon maneuver on an objective will know that the scene is extremely vicious, almost barbarous, yet every element is orchestrated and playing their part to maintain a certain tempo.

This is the technique for a reason. A certain number of one of those elements suddenly stopping their piece can put everyone at needless risk, not to mention it can screw the mission.

I foresee that it will take training and conditioning to prevent this from happening when females hit the combat arms, right down to the Team level.
 
8654Maine said:
If I was the enemy, I would know exactly who to target & wound to draw out the rest of the unit.
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At which point a moron embed journalist will send photos of the female troop missing a leg or bleeding out from a neck hit to his publisher because of the shock value.

I trust the American public has already decided they're ok with that.
 
DocIllinois said:
...Speaking from my branch's perspective, anyone who has ever seen an Infantry platoon maneuver on an objective will know that the scene is extremely vicious, almost barbarous, yet every element is orchestrated and playing their part to maintain a certain tempo...
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Having lived with a small team in the bush for months on end...I can't imagine a cohesive coed arrangement in that environment. One way or another it would've been a disaster.
 
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