Women in Combat Arms/ SOF Discussion

[digrar]

Any reduction in standard or double standard, which then leads to reduced performance will be a cancer.

 

[Devildoc]

Support units have been dealing with this sort of stuff for decades without imploding. I don't see it as too much of an issue. Any reduction in standards on the other hand, letting underdone people into the role will reduce Infantry units ability to seize and hold ground and will make artillery and armoured units less effective.

The units don't implode as much as create work-arounds and unintentional double standards. When I was a corpsman, my last unit, a reserve unit, was with a Marine logistics company. There was a female Marine, cute thing, but very small. She simply couldn't handle the warehouse and the amount of manual labor it called for. So they devised other jobs for her, and for the half-dozen or so female Marines in the company. I don't know that anyone in particular resented her for it or if it created any rifts, but it was there. I would imagine (but admittedly don't know) it happens in other support units.

 

[Grunt]

...I don't know that anyone in particular resented her for it or if it created any rifts, but it was there. I would imagine (but admittedly don't know) it happens in other support units.

Therein lies the problem...a Grunt is a far cry from a logistics base. A Grunt is only going to go so far with "helping" her when in the field and probably even less when in combat.

As a Grunt, you are either an asset or a liability to your team and mission.

 

[Devildoc]

Therein lies the problem...a Grunt is a far cry from a logistics base. A Grunt is only going to go so far with "helping" her when in the field and probably even less when in combat.

As a Grunt, you are either an asset or a liability to your team and mission.

Completely agree. It was my experience in an infantry platoon that everyone was already helping everyone else at 100% of their ability to do so. And there weren't many weak links. Not sure how much more could have been done with a significantly weak link.

 

[digrar]

There it's nowhere to hide in a Rifle Platoon. Few places to hide in a Rifle Company.

 

[Gunz]

Therein lies the problem...a Grunt is a far cry from a logistics base. A Grunt is only going to go so far with "helping" her when in the field and probably even less when in combat.

As a Grunt, you are either an asset or a liability to your team and mission.

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[Marine0311]

Agree

It can and will cost many things not to mention small unit cohesion.

 

[Florida173]

So here is number two.

Congratulations to Loren Ross, who today became the second woman to enlist as an 11X in the infantry. BG Donna Martin, CSM Cynthia Reed from U.S. Army Recruiting Battalion - Los Angeles, and CSM Latosha Ravenell from Salt Lake City Army Recruiting Battalion, were at the U.S. Army Seattle Recruiting Battalion for an operations update, making for an extra special swear-in ceremony!

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[Devildoc]

No, no agenda there for the photo op.

 

[Grunt]

No, no agenda there for the photo op.

Yep...I wonder how many others that swore in that day had them in their photos.

 

[TLDR20]

So here is number two.



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I can tell you she isn't going to make it.

 

[Florida173]

They really are just opening themselves to criticism when they start going AWOL or dropped from OSUT for the typical stress fractures that anyone would be getting.

 

[AWP]

A BG and two CSM's just happened to be in town for her swearing in?

Get the fuck out of here...

 

[Diamondback 2/2]

I can't fucking believe anyone in their right mind would allow that little girl to sign an 11X contract. Honestly shaking my damn head, WTF is wrong with people...

Someone who has been awhile and built up for it, sure okay. Some butch bull dike who spent highschool as a power lifter, maybe. But some petite princess, talk about being tossed to the wolves...

 

[Grunt]

Currently, it's the hot topic and I am sure that when a female walks in and wants that MOS, there aren't a lot of recruiters telling them no, IMO.

However, I could be wrong...I just don't think I am...under these circumstances and times.

I wouldn't doubt if recruiters are given a "female" quota before long...if they haven't already.

 

[Diamondback 2/2]

I saw some small dudes in OSUT that never did anything but play video games, they had the heart, but not the robustness in their bodies, and they were physically broken down until the recycled or took that walk of shame (and it really wasn't hard stuff). If they keep enlisting people who are physically not prepared, they're going to hurt a lot of people and second and third effects will jack up standards and the VA system.

If their going to do this, at least do it right, where people can be successful and not end up hurt.

 

[Devildoc]

Currently, it's the hot topic and I am sure that when a female walks in and wants that MOS, there aren't a lot of recruiters telling them no, IMO.

However, I could be wrong...I just don't think I am...under these circumstances and times.

I wouldn't doubt if recruiters are given a "female" quota before long...if they haven't already.

I am cynical by nature and in my cynical nature I imagine recruiters have been encouraged to steer "qualified" females to those MOSs.

 

[DA SWO]

I saw some small dudes in OSUT that never did anything but play video games, they had the heart, but not the robustness in their bodies, and they were physically broken down until the recycled or took that walk of shame (and it really wasn't hard stuff). If they keep enlisting people who are physically not prepared, they're going to hurt a lot of people and second and third effects will jack up standards and the VA system.

If their going to do this, at least do it right, where people can be successful and not end up hurt.

So the WTB at Benning see an increase in female WT's.
Awesome (not)

 

[Gunz]

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[TLDR20]

Bring em. Bring the girls in, give em an M4, frags, a 10-pound ruck, let em do a pushup or two, rock n roll. I've had my ass shot too many times bitching about this, so no comment from me from now on. Love the lady Army Infantry. Love the Lady Marine Infantry. Lets get some transgender folk in here and have real party. How about midgets? Height requirements are discrimination. Seriously. Get the Little People in here, God Bless em. How about drag queens. Let drag queens dress up as women Soldiers and Marines. Hell, North Carolina, Bragg, Pope, Lejeune, New River, Cherry Point, let's get everybody in the same god dam bathroom, pissin frontal, backal, sideal, up down around...bring it.

Good job cheapening a conversation. You win man, you are obviously the most upset.