Women in Combat Arms/ SOF Discussion

Hi guys please tell me if the following pequisits are are helpful to passing rasp and if I should be able to do more.
For the physical:
I can do 100+ pushups x 5 with 2 min rest.
I can run 15+ miles with no water
I can run/Ruck 20 miles 50lbs in about 4.75 hrs
I can run a 6min mile pace for at least 10miles
I can do 100+ situps w/15lbs neck weight
I can do 15 pullups w/65lbs best
I can do almost 5 one arm pullups with left arm. 6 w/right
I can swim great.
I am 145lbs, 5ft 10inch
I can poop
I stood awake for 5 days
I can also pee.

For the mental: I have photographic memory, which gets really annoying sometimes
and I can also withhold from jacking for 2 days straight
I can also force my self to sleep
 
"Three Women Have Applied to be Army Ranger School Advisers" "If the Army moves forward with the plan, the women will start a modified training regimen next year to give them a sense of what the program is like so they can work alongside male instructors and help observe the female students selected for the first-ever co-ed class, known as the Ranger Course Assessment, tentatively scheduled for this spring."

http://www.military.com/daily-news/...chool-advisers.html?comp=7000023317843&rank=6

OK....gotta question this, shouldn't the advisors/observers be past Ranger School graduates? Are the cadre considered advisors/observers....or are there male advisors/observers....OR....is this a new thing for the females?
 
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How can a non Q'd individual run a course? It's a failure waiting to happen.

When the political beast enters the arena, they can make Monday into Wednesday if it's expedient for them to do so.

The rules don't apply to particular events when they decide they don't want them to.

Sad, really!
 
When the political beast enters the arena, they can make Monday into Wednesday if it's expedient for them to do so.

The rules don't apply to particular events when they decide they don't want them to.

Sad, really!
Oh I agree. The first part of my comment was sarcasm. Sadly we live in a society that cares about equality for all, regardless of what it does to strengthen or weaken the task ahead.
 
How can a non Q'd individual run a course? It's a failure waiting to happen.
They aren't running the course. Only advising RIs on women specific issues as far as I can tell. I figure it's a good thing. It'll prevent the inevitable failures from saying they were treated unfair.
 
I figure it's a good thing. It'll prevent the inevitable failures from saying they were treated unfair.

Depends on the caliber of female that they bring on as part of the program. A female with the proper mindset for SOF would do better than some political Big Army stocking puppet who's there to make sure the prerequisite amount of XX chromosomes sail through to make the press release look good.
 
"Three Women Have Applied to be Army Ranger School Advisers" "If the Army moves forward with the plan, the women will start a modified training regimen next year to give them a sense of what the program is like so they can work alongside male instructors and help observe the female students selected for the first-ever co-ed class, known as the Ranger Course Assessment, tentatively scheduled for this spring."

http://www.military.com/daily-news/...chool-advisers.html?comp=7000023317843&rank=6

OK....gotta questions this, shouldn't the advisors/observers be past Ranger School graduates? Are the cadre considered advisors/observers....or are there male advisors/observers....OR....is this a new thing for the females?

I've been supportive of the measures to open job fields to the entire force; however this is the wrong way to do it. "A sense of what the program is like?" That is like me running a jump master course without being a JM.

This move has this perception: a COMPLETE lack of trust from the command in their male instructors. They are assuming the entire instructor corps will fail/harass/unduly influence the performance of female students.

I was hoping that stupid BS like this would not occur. I guess I was wrong.
 
What's to advise the RI's? The standard's the standard, right? If we're treating men and women equally then what do we need to tell the RI's about female soldiers? If they were "observers" I could maybe see that, but "advisors?" Seriously?
 
The observers should be the Senior NCOs and Commanders of the Ranger Committee. Then LTC Mingus did a patrol with each company, as did his CSM to ensure quality work from the RIs. What a slap in the face to the committee heads and the instructors.
 
I am not a Ranger, but feel compelled to contribute to the discussion since all components are considering allowing females to audition. I think we are all (or mostly all) in agreement that so long as a female can tow the line, then good on her. Welcome to the unit! My problem is not with the sex of the candidate, possible increases in cases of sexual assault or even the standards of performance. Well, assuming there is only one standard. My problem with this whole concept boils down to one thing...the almighty dollar.

Hypothetical situation: (For ease of computation, and to prevent my becoming embarrassed by an inevitable miscalculation, we'll use nice, round numbers.) Let's say that you run a selection program for a well-known unit in SOCOM. You run 5 courses each year. Each course has a maximum candidate limit of about 200, and you usually are filled to capacity. That's around 1000 candidates that actually show up on training day 1 over the period of a given year. You have your share of non- hackers who can't meet the standards. Then, there are the ever-present DORs who don't want to be there anymore. Of course, you'll always have those who get medically injured in some way and are deemed unfit to continue. Finally, you have those who completed the course, but you and your staff felt they weren't quite "special" enough to serve with the unit. So after all of the attrition, you typically end up with about 50-60 basically qualified individuals from each selection. These selected individuals will be sent on to the next phase where they'll actually begin their real training. You know in the back of your mind, and from reliable reports (other instructors), that there is a certain amount of attrition to be had in the course that follows yours. Either way at the end of the year, you end up with about 250 (50 x 5) basically qualified "selects". Of these 250, assume around 10% will not pass the follow on training course that aims to make them actual Special Operators. You know the costs involved with your course and those that follow it literally equates to millions of dollars being spent each year just to create these guys. It's mind blowing. Now, consider that your service component can find 20 super-fit, motivated females, that actually want to be there, meet all of the time and service restrictions and can meet or exceed all of the performance standards. They all show up at your next course. You've got to train female "observers", or "advisors" because God knows the male staff cannot be entrusted to carry out their mission with professionalism (sarcasm). Separate berthing must be figured out because the females are not going to be allowed to cohabitate with the male candidates. That could either mean finding another place for them to bunk, or actually having to build a new facility. Worse yet would be taking an entire building, or squad bay away from the male candidates and using it to house females. That would potentially cut into the number of male candidates you could take for each course because you wouldn't have anywhere to put them with females on deck. Apply the standard attrition and selection rates to this group of females and you come out with around 5 of your original 20. If statistics for females attending IOC are any indicator, expect the attrition to actually be quite a bit higher than what you are used to with males. Basically, for all of the additional work required, you will likely have very few females still standing when all is said and done.

B.L.U.F- It's somewhat justifiable to spend millions of dollars to end up with a company or two of newly minted Special Operators each year. Is it just as prudent to drag enough women through the proverbial "knot hole" until one finally makes it? Are the taxpayer's dollars being spent in an expeditious manner? Is it acceptable to throw handfuls of darts at the board in the hopes that just a few might stick? All in all, the juice doesn't appear to be quite worth the squeeze.
 
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I've been supportive of the measures to open job fields to the entire force; however this is the wrong way to do it. "A sense of what the program is like?" That is like me running a jump master course without being a JM.

In my opinion, a better analogy would be a like someone who's never been to jump school running a JM course.

Why not just have them go through RTAC to get a sense of the program? :wall: Just realized that 49 p/u would be extended scale for females. It's important to note that 49 Ranger p/u are equal to 80 Army ones.

From ATTRS:

Course Scope:
The Pre-Ranger Course consists of 14 days of training. The first week is designed to mirror the first week of Ranger School's (Benning) phase. The second week is designed to Coach, Teach, and Mentor students during the patrol phase of the course. The purpose of the Pre-Ranger Course (PRC) is to prepare Soldiers to succeed at the US Army Ranger School. Pre-Ranger accomplishes this by assessing the Soldiers' physical and mental capabilities, training the Soldiers on Troop Leading Procedures, Combat Orders and Reconnaissance/Combat patrols to the same standards conducted at the US Army Ranger School. Pre-Ranger is designed to verify that all medical/dental and administrative paperwork is complete for Ranger School attendance, and fix any deficiency that the Soldier may have. Students will be required to pass the minimum Ranger Physical Fitness Test of 49 push-ups, 59 sit-ups and 5 mile (release) run in 40:00 minutes or less. In addition to the RPFT, students will be evaluated at the Combat Water Survival Test, Land Navigation, Road March, Ranger Stakes, Obstacle Course, Patrols, and Peer Evaluations.
 
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This move has this perception: a COMPLETE lack of trust from the command in their male instructors. They are assuming the entire instructor corps will fail/harass/unduly influence the performance of female students.
I don't know. I see it as similar to cops wearing cameras. Personally, if I was a RI I'd want them around just to cover my ass from bullshit as long as they aren't there to undercut the difficulty of Ranger School. You can see it as mistrust and I just see it as the Army covering their asses. A lot of politics going on and the Army is just making smart moves to protect itself and the RIs.
 
All of this brought to you by someone with 0 combat experience whatsoever, from 3 years ago. Talk about padding your bets. This panel had "Finger drill" and "Whitewash" written all over it the moment the panel was announced. And now, as a result, here we are are today. Nothing like someone with his credentials leading the way.

What a fucking joke.

Thank you Lester.

http://www.defense.gov/news/newsarticle.aspx?id=63057


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