Women in Combat Arms/ SOF Discussion

[WasNeverHere]

Clarify your point.

I just mean that adding sexual dynamics to an already highly demanding situation is suboptimal, when what you really want is optimal.

You want women on an ODA? Why? Because there's a shortage of male applicants? Because it will improve unit performance? Or, because cultural Marxists want to reorder the universe the way they imagine it "should be"?

Why does SF select applicants, instead of just creating a series of tests for them to pass or fail? If SF just wanted people who could do the job, the selection process would be unnecessary. SF wants people who can do the job without detracting from unit performance. Isn't enhancing unit performance part of an operator's job?

If there's sexual tension between two or more team members on an extended deployment, does it enhance or detract from optimal unit performance?

[And, that's just one problem.]

 

[TLDR20]

You seem to be conflating women and gay people. Or maybe due to your multiple posts in different threads in a similar vein I am.

I think you should get vetted.

I just mean that adding sexual dynamics to an already highly demanding situation is suboptimal, when what you really want is optimal.

You want women on an ODA? Why? Because there's a shortage of male applicants? Because it will improve unit performance? Or, because cultural Marxists want to reorder the universe the way they imagine it "should be"?

Why does SF select applicants, instead of just creating a series of tests for them to pass or fail? If SF just wanted people who could do the job, the selection process would be unnecessary. SF wants people who can do the job without detracting from unit performance. Isn't enhancing unit performance part of an operator's job?

If there's sexual tension between two or more team members on an extended deployment, does it enhance or detract from optimal unit performance?

[And, that's just one problem.]

 

[WasNeverHere]

You seem to be conflating women and gay people. Or maybe due to your multiple posts in different threads in a similar vein I am.

I think you should get vetted.

What I'm doing is observing that sexual tension (from whatever source) makes matters worse, not better. I'm a dinosaur. I know. I thought my position would at least be understood, here, if not universally embraced.

 

[ThunderHorse]

What I'm doing is observing that sexual tension (from whatever source) makes matters worse, not better. I'm a dinosaur. I know. I thought my position would at least be understood, here, if not universally embraced.

This thread is 66 pages long, your position is understood. We get it, and a lot of us agree with that but we tend to focus on the physiological aspect rather than the sexual tension piece. Because in the current environment focusing on the sexual tension piece is not an argument that will be heard.

 

[Gunz]

I've said this before on this forum and I'll say it again. I don't care who you fuck or what you got down there between your legs...if you're where you need to be doing what needs to be done when the shit hits the fan...the beer's on me.

 

[policemedic]

What I'm doing is observing that sexual tension (from whatever source) makes matters worse, not better. I'm a dinosaur. I know. I thought my position would at least be understood, here, if not universally embraced.

That's kind of a broad assumption. It's also one I disagree with for a number of reasons.

 

[WasNeverHere]

That's kind of a broad assumption. It's also one I disagree with for a number of reasons.

As much as I enjoy a good argument, that's not why I came here, and I shouldn't have allowed myself to become distracted; so, if anyone feels compelled to engage me further on any of the hornets nests I've kicked over, please feel free to PM me. Thanks.

 

[Ooh-Rah]

While admittedly not a grunt, this Terminal Lance makes me laugh because two of my best bros were grunts...and this is exactly what they described.

Terminal Lance “New Joins”

Well it’s finally happened you guys. Yesterday, the first female infantry Marines checked into 1st Battalion, 8th Marines at Camp Lejeune.

Now they finally get to understand the prestige of being a grunt in the United States Marine Corps. They’ll get to do such intense physical activities as standing by in their rooms or cleaning weapons at the armory for 7 hours for no particular reason. They’ll spend a bunch of time standing around waiting for formations because First Sergeant and the CO are always late. They’ll completely stop giving a fuck about their careers after a couple of years and do the bare minimum to pass PFT’s and ranges because they just don’t care anymore and their cutting score is fucked anyway.

Welcome to being a grunt.

 

[Gunz]

I love it, man. "Awesome infantry stuff" bwwaaaaaaahaaaaaahaaaaa. Start field-daying the squad bay, ladies, take the shitcans out and dump them and when you finish that you can practice your "awesome infantry skills" raking all the pine needles in the company area.

 

[CDG]

Apparently, the first female Ranger has arrived.

Exclusive: The 75th Ranger Regiment Is No Longer An All-Male Unit

 

[TLDR20]

Apparently, the first female Ranger has arrived.

Exclusive: The 75th Ranger Regiment Is No Longer An All-Male Unit

Good on her. I am sure she earned it. Regiment doesn't fuck around.

 

[ThunderHorse]

Apparently, the first female Ranger has arrived.

Exclusive: The 75th Ranger Regiment Is No Longer An All-Male Unit

Too much fluff in this piece and doesn't get at the meat and potatoes. Since it said the person who was selected is an officer I'm guessing it's CPT Griest?

 

[TLDR20]

Too much fluff in this piece and doesn't get at the meat and potatoes. Since it said the person who was selected is an officer I'm guessing it's CPT Griest?

What "meat and potatoes?" They aren't going to advertise it for PERSEC reasons.

 

[ThunderHorse]

First Female in RGT, selected above PEERs, is a [Blank], required to attend [blank], will receive follow on assignment.

All the crap about how people don't know what the 75th is, people know who the Rangers are. As an article...and being an exclusive, there wasn't a whole lot of stuff about the actual Soldier, just a lot of stuff that doesn't pertain to the successful accession of the Soldier to the regiment.

 

[SpitfireV]

Yeezas man, the article was about women in SOF in general not this one soldier in particular. Regardless of what the title might say. You're being overly pedantic about this IMO.

 

[Ranger Psych]

First Female in RGT, selected above PEERs, is a [Blank], required to attend [blank], will receive follow on assignment.

All the crap about how people don't know what the 75th is, people know who the Rangers are. As an article...and being an exclusive, there wasn't a whole lot of stuff about the actual Soldier, just a lot of stuff that doesn't pertain to the successful accession of the Soldier to the regiment.

Until you registered on this forum, you didn't know 99.95% of SOF other than there is Ranger something in the army, and you had no desire to be one because it would require exertion and dedication.... so all of those facts are pertinent, as the school IS separate and a significantly different world, and what does it matter beyond they exceeded the standards to earn themselves a job? The 75th isn't in the publicity business, it's in the business of killing the enemies of our country more effectively and efficiently than any other unit.

Whoever it is, they probably also got a healthy PERSEC briefing and that she's got a job to do, if she wanted to make waves she should have tried to be the first at Hooah High... she gets to earn her place every day just like the rest of us did.

 

[TLDR20]

Until you registered on this forum, you didn't know 99.95% of SOF other than there is Ranger something in the army, and you had no desire to be one because it would require exertion and dedication.... so all of those facts are pertinent, as the school IS separate and a significantly different world, and what does it matter beyond they exceeded the standards to earn themselves a job? The 75th isn't in the publicity business, it's in the business of killing the enemies of our country more effectively and efficiently than any other unit.

Whoever it is, they probably also got a healthy PERSEC briefing and that she's got a job to do, if she wanted to make waves she should have tried to be the first at Hooah High... she gets to earn her place every day just like the rest of us did.

Fucking awesome post.

She will contribute or piss off.

 

[ThunderHorse]

Until you registered on this forum, you didn't know 99.95% of SOF other than there is Ranger something in the army, and you had no desire to be one because it would require exertion and dedication.... so all of those facts are pertinent, as the school IS separate and a significantly different world, and what does it matter beyond they exceeded the standards to earn themselves a job? The 75th isn't in the publicity business, it's in the business of killing the enemies of our country more effectively and efficiently than any other unit.

Whoever it is, they probably also got a healthy PERSEC briefing and that she's got a job to do, if she wanted to make waves she should have tried to be the first at Hooah High... she gets to earn her place every day just like the rest of us did.

My point had nothing to do with the young NCO, because as I understand it from people other than those at this forum, is that she is an NCO. The article said she was an Officer. I suppose the article is not meant for this audience and for the masses.

And if SOF ain't about publicity, why do I keep seeing books and movies every damn year?

You can insult someone else's service, I wasn't insulting hers, just the fact that the article had a clickbait title.

 

[TLDR20]

My point had nothing to do with the young NCO, because as I understand it from people other than those at this forum, is that she is an NCO. The article said she was an Officer. I suppose the article is not meant for this audience and for the masses.

And if SOF ain't about publicity, why do I keep seeing books and movies every damn year?

You can insult someone else's service, I wasn't insulting hers, just the fact that the article had a clickbait title.

Listen man.

Stop trying to pontificate about everything like you are the grand master of all that is.

This isn't a friendly warning. This is from me, the admin.

 

[Marauder06]

I'm quoted in that article under my real name and the author of that story is both a former Ranger and a member here. I'm interested to learn that it's a "fluff" piece.

Details about the female Ranger-to-be are known but weren't released publicly and because Task and Purpose isn't SOFREP and the author isn't... well, because the author is a stand up guy, he didn't publish them.