Women in Combat Arms/ SOF Discussion
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That article was from 2015...
I guess it pays to check dates of what people text me :-/
Who cares about candidates. Call me when someone makes it like the beasts who graduated from Ranger School.
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Are there any women who have tried to get into the Recon community?
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The Corps is looking to have a percentage of their freshly minted Women Marines complete MCT with the men in San Diego. (Vs. exclusively at Parris Island).
Although it looks good to politicians, I do not believe that The Corps will get the results they are seeking.
Having the ladies join the guys at MCT is not going to do anything to change the resentment that guys feel when they watch their female comrades skate thru the shit jobs and blow their way thru meritorious promotion boards. (Yeah, I said that).
Until senior NCO's and officers put an "all stop" to the bullshit WM's Get away with, nothing will change.
Marines eye plan to put women in West Coast combat training
WASHINGTON — The U.S. Marine Corps for the first time is eyeing a plan to let women attend what has been male-only combat training in Southern California, as officials work to quash recurring problems with sexism and other bad behavior among Marines, according to Marine Corps officials.
If approved by senior Marine leaders, the change could happen as soon as next spring. And it could be the first step in a broader campaign to give male Marines who do their initial training on the West Coast the opportunity to work with female colleagues early in their career.
Marine leaders are also considering allowing women to attend boot camp in San Diego, the officials said.
Although it looks good to politicians, I do not believe that The Corps will get the results they are seeking.
Having the ladies join the guys at MCT is not going to do anything to change the resentment that guys feel when they watch their female comrades skate thru the shit jobs and blow their way thru meritorious promotion boards. (Yeah, I said that).
Until senior NCO's and officers put an "all stop" to the bullshit WM's Get away with, nothing will change.
Marines eye plan to put women in West Coast combat training
WASHINGTON — The U.S. Marine Corps for the first time is eyeing a plan to let women attend what has been male-only combat training in Southern California, as officials work to quash recurring problems with sexism and other bad behavior among Marines, according to Marine Corps officials.
If approved by senior Marine leaders, the change could happen as soon as next spring. And it could be the first step in a broader campaign to give male Marines who do their initial training on the West Coast the opportunity to work with female colleagues early in their career.
Marine leaders are also considering allowing women to attend boot camp in San Diego, the officials said.
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Since I haven't gone to MCT, I am not going to speak too much. That said, most men--and women--I know who went through believes it to be pretty easy. Is there any danger in integration in MCT? For most people it's a box to check before they go to journalism school or maintenance school or wherever. I don't know.
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It's not hard. I was not a Grunt so I went there vs. SOI (School of Infantry).
To be clear, I have zero issues with WM's being integrated into MCT (I think they already are at Parris Island). My beef is with the brain-wizards who think that this will create some magical brotherhood/sisterhood bonding between the men and women. And maybe it will...until they get to the fleet and see what really happens out there.
MCT is lame as shit. Mfers falling from 3 milers at the speed of a fart wearing a daypack full of skittles.
I have tons of issues with women in combat roles, for tons of reasons. I don't support it and never will. But I'm not running this shxtshow or have any input. Thank you Sir, may I have another, Semper Fi
In the Marine Corps you are either the mission or you are supporting the mission. I don't give a shit what side you do, but you better enact that task with extreme violence, tenacity, and willingness to perform. Neither side of the fence should allow for weakness.
I'm not against women, trans, people-from-new-jersey, whatever.... I'm against weakness. When I see weak ass shit occurring it upsets me, it upsets my peers, and it creates a general question delivered to the masses scoped & framed on a small example as to what will happen to our institution. Whatever happens, good luck and god speed but I expect everyone to be held to a standard that exuberates and breeds confidence to the force that whoever/whatever is being trained is the most capable and worthy product that our Marine Corps could produce.
For both mission & those who are supporting the mission.
I'm not against women, trans, people-from-new-jersey, whatever.... I'm against weakness. When I see weak ass shit occurring it upsets me, it upsets my peers, and it creates a general question delivered to the masses scoped & framed on a small example as to what will happen to our institution. Whatever happens, good luck and god speed but I expect everyone to be held to a standard that exuberates and breeds confidence to the force that whoever/whatever is being trained is the most capable and worthy product that our Marine Corps could produce.
For both mission & those who are supporting the mission.
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I agree, I think social engineering is very dangerous on many levels. But a 20-something day course after which everyone splits to the four corners of the earth for their MOS school, yeah, that won't do it.
I find myself in agreement with both @Loki and @The Hate Ape .
I've said a few times on this thread when your ass is up shit alley it doesn't matter who's helping you get out of it or fight your way through to the other side. But it's not easy for me to keep an open mind.
I tried to image women Marines in my Combined Action Platoon, in the bush all the time, month after month, humping prodigious amounts of gear and ammo, setting ambush every night, living on c-rats and cigarettes and bad water, sleep deprived, hyper-vigilant, bathing in brown rivers, gooks sores, ringworm, immersion foot, leeches, malaria, etc...not to mention having to fight an extremely competent and resourceful enemy...and the idea still strikes me as ludicrous.
But I know these days there more athletic women capable of the kind of physical endurance through training and conditioning that was rare back in my day. So...I guess I'm ambivalent.
I've said a few times on this thread when your ass is up shit alley it doesn't matter who's helping you get out of it or fight your way through to the other side. But it's not easy for me to keep an open mind.
I tried to image women Marines in my Combined Action Platoon, in the bush all the time, month after month, humping prodigious amounts of gear and ammo, setting ambush every night, living on c-rats and cigarettes and bad water, sleep deprived, hyper-vigilant, bathing in brown rivers, gooks sores, ringworm, immersion foot, leeches, malaria, etc...not to mention having to fight an extremely competent and resourceful enemy...and the idea still strikes me as ludicrous.
But I know these days there more athletic women capable of the kind of physical endurance through training and conditioning that was rare back in my day. So...I guess I'm ambivalent.
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Agreed. This has been my experience too. If a female has an issue with the shit talk and also cannot resolve the situation independently, there are bigger problems.
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This should be a recruiting campaign. I'm not being sarcastic. I wish everyone knew this. Females in CF and SOF are two different animals. What you wrote applies to both. There is no equality in war, and there shouldn't be. But women are here to stay on larger scale then historically, and the value of everyone understanding the reality has exponentially increased. More work for everybody, and obscene costs just outweigh the value in almost every case. I blame the gender-neutral garbage on femme-nazis and stupidity, mostly.:wall: I suggest Americorps to motivated young females.
"Any dissent will not be tolerated, critical reports or discipline will not be accepted. You have your orders Gentlemen, make it happen! They will be valuable assets regardless of facts, now move out."
Two Marine commanders fired this year for behavior toward women
Two Marine commanders fired this year for behavior toward women
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I did some some contracting work for a Marine Infantry BN a few years ago. The one thing that really stands out in my mind (apart from the crayon eating competitions) was the professionalism displayed by the support troops.
Army support troops are often lazy, undisciplined fucks, the Jarhead support troops acted like disciplined, dedicated Marines. I was and remain very impressed by that.
I believe the headquarters company commander was so hosed up though that he let you take a big kiwi shit in the middle of the FOB to help "teach tracking techniques"!I did some some contracting work for a Marine Infantry BN a few years ago. The one thing that really stands out in my mind (apart from the crayon eating competitions) was the professionalism displayed by the support troops.
Army support troops are often lazy, undisciplined fucks, the Jarhead support troops acted like disciplined, dedicated Marines. I was and remain very impressed by that.
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