Women in Combat Arms/ SOF Discussion

[Mad boomer]

My son's Infantry unit has now been assigned 14 females including 1 female Lt. Platoon leader. Of these 9 have been assigned to my sons Infantry company. Including the female LT. , who is his Platoon leader. They have all been there for 1 month, 2 are now out on medical injuries and off the line. The remadner are all, (with the exception of the LT) to the person are falling out of the PT run and PT in general. O and yes they have their "female standards" not male. As well they are constantly late for formation and not showing up. Three are being processed for disciplinary actions. They haven't been to the field yet with the unit. They go next month.... Rah!

 

[Grunt]

People will soon understand -- as many have learned in the past -- that wanting to be a Grunt and living the Grunt life are two very different animals. The lesson can be a long and painful one.

 

[Devildoc]

People will soon understand -- as many have learned in the past -- that wanting to be a Grunt and living the Grunt life are two very different animals. The lesson can be a long and painful one.

Reminds me of that old saying "everyone wants to be a grunt until it's time to do grunt shit."

 

[Marauder06]

My son's Infantry unit has now been assigned 14 females including 1 female Lt. Platoon leader. Of these 9 have been assigned to my sons Infantry company. Including the female LT. , who is his Platoon leader. They have all been there for 1 month, 2 are now out on medical injuries and off the line. The remadner are all, (with the exception of the LT) to the person are falling out of the PT run and PT in general. O and yes they have their "female standards" not male. As well they are constantly late for formation and not showing up. Three are being processed for disciplinary actions. They haven't been to the field yet with the unit. They go next month.... Rah!

Bragg or Hood?

 

[Mad boomer]

As a former grunt for over 10 years, my expectations of this social experiment are extremely low. I think they should create another additional position per squad for females, in every rifle squad. Just give them a posting so they can be grunts on paper. That will prevent the unit from suffering loss of personnel on the UMR prior to deployment and their combat effectiveness will be minimally impacted. You can then work around the loss of personnel and lowered physical abilities. And everyone can feel good...

 

[Gunz]

It's a hard way to make a living. You don't get the prestige of the top tier guys and yet you still take the same bullets. If women want to do it, I'm fine with it. Welcome to the suck. I enjoyed every hateful minute of it.

 

[Mad boomer]

Bragg or Hood?

My apologies Sir, I'd rather not respond in this forum to that question. Hit me by PM. Many NCOs are now fearful to discipline these people for fear of reprisals from the Command, and possible sex harassment complaints. They are being dealt with completely different than the males.

 

[Red Flag 1]

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[256]

Why aren’t there any females in the NFL? Start with making military PT standards the same for both male and female and I might take this integration seriously for a few seconds. I have zero problem with females going to Ranger School, it’s exposure to leadership skills. I would like to see the results or statistics showing percentages of males that have passed Infantry training vs women. It would effect the readiness of the Platoon element so much.

PS I searched for the NFL argument, so I apologize if it’s been made.

 

[Mad boomer]

Women’s combat roles in Israel Defense Forces exaggerated, military traditionalists say

 

[RackMaster]

If there is a place to look at female soldiers, I would say look to our only Ally in the Middle East Serving side by side.

If there is a selection and training model, Isreal seems to be the place to go to get answers.

We have them in Canada as well and for quite some time now. There's no great numbers but they are there.

 

[Ooh-Rah]

Why aren’t there any females in the NFL?

I do not believe that your argument is analogous to the military. For starters, the NFL does not have rules against women being able to play.

Women wanting to serve on subs, ships, tanks, Rangers, SEAL’s, etc has less to do with them wanting to be door kickers, and more to do with them wanting the same opportunities for promotion and assignments as their male counterparts.

In many cases, women looking to serve in combat units are seeking promotional opportunities within the military and see having a CIB or CAR a way to open new avenues in their career path. This thread has countless links on that very idea.

To add, I am not arguing either way in this post, just offering the “why behind the what”.

 

[256]

I use the NFL as an example because they want the biggest, fastest and strongest people available. You’re right women are open to try out, but they wouldn’t get picked. If I’m going to fight a war I want it fought with the biggest, fastest and strongest people available. The different PT standards for males vs females is a perfect indication that males are..bigger, faster and stronger. Just how I look at it. Not arguing either, just my two cents

 

[Topkick]

I do not believe that your argument is analogous to the military. For starters, the NFL does not have rules against women being able to play.

Women wanting to serve on subs, ships, tanks, Rangers, SEAL’s, etc has less to do with them wanting to be door kickers, and more to do with them wanting the same opportunities for promotion and assignments as their male counterparts.

In many cases, women looking to serve in combat units are seeking promotional opportunities within the military and see having a CIB or CAR a way to open new avenues in their career path. This thread has countless links on that very idea.

I am not arguing one way or another because its no longer my fight, but I don't see the point being about what women want. Its more about what they (as a whole) are actually capable of. Are we being politically correct, sympathetic, empathetic, or realistic?

 

[Gunz]

... Many NCOs are now fearful to discipline these people for fear of reprisals from the Command, and possible sex harassment complaints. They are being dealt with completely different than the males.

This was probably an inevitable consequence given the political, social and cultural sensitivity that's permeating the American military...especially with regard to this issue. Not to mention the pressure from up the chain to make it happen and the need to cover one's ass.

 

[BloodStripe]

Women’s combat roles in Israel Defense Forces exaggerated, military traditionalists say

Having been to a school in Israel for two months, females trained our STA platoon, while the rest of us were trained by Sayret Egoz and Duvdevan. They ran our guys into the dirt, in both PT and counter sniper shooting.

 

[CDG]

Not surprised to hear these reports at all. About what I expected. "Look at me, look at me. I'm super equal. Wait, you mean I can't just get the fame of passing a course? I have to live like the male grunts do? But, I'm special. I shouldn't have to do that." Fucking ridiculous.

 

[256]

Not surprised to hear these reports at all. About what I expected. "Look at me, look at me. I'm super equal. Wait, you mean I can't just get the fame of passing a course? I have to live like the male grunts do? But, I'm special. I shouldn't have to do that." Fucking ridiculous.

Thank you. Letting women in the infantry is an emotional response it’s not backed by facts.

 

[Deleted member 11415]

Edited: Removed the wall of irrelevant information I just wrote. I apologize.

I think that Leaders who believe a female joins the military to make a feminist statement belong with the group of spouses that believe female troops joined to find a husband. Females in the military that joined to make a feminist statement are a going to be a fucking problem for everyone they interact with. It's the wrong answer anyway it's sliced.

 

[Marauder06]

My apologies Sir, I'd rather not respond in this forum to that question. Hit me by PM. Many NCOs are now fearful to discipline these people for fear of reprisals from the Command, and possible sex harassment complaints. They are being dealt with completely different than the males.

Thanks for the PM.