Women in Combat Arms/ SOF Discussion

Israel's population is about 2.6% of ours and their army is correspondingly smaller as well. As a result, their troops have to do a lot more than we do, and there is a lot less specialization. Additionally, as the video that RF1 posted mentions, they did this out of necessity, not because they thought it was a great idea. I think it's important to consider those facts because a "women in the infantry" discussion isn't an apples-to-apples comparison between Israel and the US.

Yes there are women in units that the Israelis call infantry battalions. But in the US we would probably not designate those units the same way. Much of what these "infantry battalions" do is more like MP work, or it is something that civilian agencies would do here.

For example, the Bardelas Battalion mentioned in the video is more like our Border Patrol than it is one of our straight-up infantry battalions. It is also relegated to what I would argue is the safest, most stable part of Israel's national borders: the part from the Dead Sea to the Red Sea along the border with Jordan. That's probably not accidental.
https://www.idf.il/en/minisites/bardelas-battalion/

Another of the gender-integrated units, the Caracals, patrols the Egyptian border bertween Eilat and Gaza. It's also something like 70% female.
Caracal Battalion - Wikipedia

In Israel, the combat arm of decision is armor. AFAIK there are still no women tankers. No, do I believe, are there many (any?) female combat troops in their paratrooper units, unless its onesies and twosies like snipers.

I served six months along the Israel/Egypt border and I've gone to Israel every year for the last five years. When we visit "front line" combat units, the only women I see are support troops. They are readily identifiable by their long braided hair and the strappy sandals they are permitted to wear with their uniforms.

Israel Army /= to US Army in this regard
 
Edited: Removed the wall of irrelevant information I just wrote. I apologize.

I think that Leaders who believe a female joins the military to make a feminist statement belong with the group of spouses that believe female troops joined to find a husband. Females in the military that joined to make a feminist statement are a going to be a fucking problem for everyone they interact with. It's the wrong answer anyway it's sliced.

I don't think women join to make a feminist statement, but I do think the vast majority of the push for including them in combat arms/SOF units is a feminist statement.
 
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I do think the vast majority of the push for including them in combat arms/SOF units is a feminist statement.

I agree with you. I blame the femme nazis for pushing their stupid agenda without any skin in the game. Fuck them. They don't do anyone any favors.
 
femme nazis

Going forward, please avoid using phrases like that. It's right up there with Dumb-a-crats and Republi-dorks. (both of which I saw on another forum this morning). Those phrases distract from a well thought out argument or comment.

Thanks!
 
Meanwhile over at MARSOC A&S....

Just my $.02 on perception. However long ago it was, there was a near 'reality show' feeling during the coverage of the two women who graduated Ranger school. I don't blame them, but it was there. Hell, the Army even hosted a live broadcast of their graduation.

I like that I didn't even know these women were in the MARSOC pipeline; that alone sends a message. Not sure if it is a difference in Administrations, or Sec of Def Mattis, but I appreciate the low keyed secretiveness of it all. (as do I assume, the female candidates)

Third Female Marine Now in Selection to Become MARSOC Raider

A 25-year-old female sergeant has almost completed the 21-day first phase of A&S after beginning the course Jan. 16, MARSOC spokesman Maj. Nicholas Mannweiler confirmed to Military.com.

The sergeant, who comes from the food specialist military occupational specialty, is on her first attempt through the phase.

If she makes it to the end of the course, which wraps up the week of Feb. 5, with a high enough aggregate academic and physical training score, she will be the first woman to enter the challenging and secretive second phase of MARSOC assessment and selection.

But that is not a given. Mannweiler said it's expected that a number of candidates will leave the selection pipeline at the phase’s conclusion with insufficient scores.
 
Going forward, please avoid using phrases like that. It's right up there with Dumb-a-crats and Republi-dorks. (both of which I saw on another forum this morning). Those phrases distract from a well thought out argument or comment.

Thanks!

Got it. I just googled it. I guess since 2015 that has been a really bad name. I had no idea. In hindsight- anything ending in -zi is probably not acceptable. It won't happen again!
 
Having been to a school in Israel for two months, females trained our STA platoon, while the rest of us were trained by Sayret Egoz and Duvdevan. They ran our guys into the dirt, in both PT and counter sniper shooting.

I have an acquaintance here, former Duvdevan. We've had this chat. He acknowledged that the women who serve in SOF units are highly specialized, highly selected, often recruited, and usually not door-kickers. The very, very select few who are, though, are studs (meant as a term of respect).
 
I'll repeat myself - One standard, not male or female, One Infantry Standard, One Ranger Standard, One SF Standard, One Support Standard... ad infinitum. The tougher the unit, the tougher the standard, you meet/exceed it, you stay.


There it freaking is.
 
I have an acquaintance here, former Duvdevan. We've had this chat. He acknowledged that the women who serve in SOF units are highly specialized, highly selected, often recruited, and usually not door-kickers. The very, very select few who are, though, are studs (meant as a term of respect).

As I wasn't a SS, I don't know which unit the women were from. And snipers are not door kickers, but the fact they put ours through a very difficult course speaks volumes about them and the way they approach their craft.
 
It was only a matter of time and now the crack has begun spreading. The standards shall now start their descent into obscurity!
 
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