Women in Combat Arms/ SOF Discussion

[AWP]

Passing Combat Endurance Test is no longer required for infantry officers

And this is how they will get more female 0302's into the fleet.

This has far too many parallels to the open letter sent by an SFQC instructor and SWCS's response.

 

[reed11b]

I use the NFL as an example because they want the biggest, fastest and strongest people available. You’re right women are open to try out, but they wouldn’t get picked. If I’m going to fight a war I want it fought with the biggest, fastest and strongest people available. The different PT standards for males vs females is a perfect indication that males are..bigger, faster and stronger. Just how I look at it. Not arguing either, just my two cents

BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
When I first joined the Airborne Infantry, I weighed 115lbs. I never got bigger than 135lbs on active duty. NOBODY was saying I was to small and weak for the infantry. Yes, physical strength and endurance will help a soldier in all aspects of the Infantry job, but the NFL it is not.

 

[BloodStripe]

BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
When I first joined the Airborne Infantry, I weighed 115lbs. I never got bigger than 135lbs on active duty. NOBODY was saying I was to small and weak for the infantry. Yes, physical strength and endurance will help a soldier in all aspects of the Infantry job, but the NFL it is not.

How do you figure it's not?

 

[256]

BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
When I first joined the Airborne Infantry, I weighed 115lbs. I never got bigger than 135lbs on active duty. NOBODY was saying I was to small and weak for the infantry. Yes, physical strength and endurance will help a soldier in all aspects of the Infantry job, but the NFL it is not.

I’m not really sure what all this means..only that it’s funny to you.

 

[Mad boomer]

Update; my son's company went to field this week. None of the females went, they were held back from Field ops (even the ones assigned to dismounted) with the exception of 1 enlisted and the Platoon leader. The one enlisted went out on profile day 1, she was sent back to the rear and had to be relieved. 4 of the others are now out on profile.

 

[Mad boomer]

Who cares about candidates. Call me when someone makes it like the beasts who graduated from Ranger School.

Still not buying that one.... that they graduated to standard.

 

[Ooh-Rah]

Still not buying that one....

For clarification, at least offer @Teufel the curtesy of telling him what exactly, you are "not buying".

 

[CDG]

For clarification, at least offer @Teufel the curtesy of telling him what exactly, you are "not buying".

FWIW, I took his comment as meaning he doesn't buy that women legitimately graduated Ranger School at the standard men are held to.

 

[CDG]

Update; my son's company went to field this week. None of the females went, they were held back from Field ops (even the ones assigned to dismounted) with the exception of 1 enlisted and the Platoon leader. The one enlisted went out on profile day 1, she was sent back to the rear and had to be relieved. 4 of the others are now out on profile.

What a shock. This is ridiculous.

 

[Ooh-Rah]

Passing Combat Endurance Test is no longer required for infantry officers

And this is how they will get more female 0302's into the fleet.

I read this updated story and found that the endurance test had been changed to an “all or nothing” in 2012. Til then, it was as it is now, part of the course, but not a specific deal breaker.

Difficult for me to doubt the motives for changing back now in 2018, but it’s not as if the Corps overturned 100 years of tradition here.

Marine Corps Quietly Drops Major Obstacle to Female Infantry Officers

 

[Mad boomer]

I read this updated story and found that the endurance test had been changed to an “all or nothing” in 2012. Til then, it was as it is now, part of the course, but not a specific deal breaker.

Difficult for me to doubt the motives for changing back now in 2018, but it’s not as if the Corps overturned 100 years of tradition here.

Marine Corps Quietly Drops Major Obstacle to Female Infantry Officers

The standards must be dropped to achieve the goal...and combat effectiveness of the Infantry is not the goal!

 

[Poccington]

The standards must be dropped to achieve the goal...and combat effectiveness of the Infantry is not the goal!

So was combat effectiveness of the Infantry not the goal before 2012?

 

[CDG]

So was combat effectiveness of the Infantry not the goal before 2012?

I'm sure you can admit this is rather suspect. Things go back and forth, but it needs to change again now? Since women can't pass it? Amazing how so many men could pass, but when women can't the standard is all of a sudden deemed to be needlessly difficult.

 

[Poccington]

I'm sure you can admit this is rather suspect. Things go back and forth, but it needs to change again now? Since women can't pass it? Amazing how so many men could pass, but when women can't the standard is all of a sudden deemed to be needlessly difficult.

Definitely looks suspicious and I'd be of the same belief as you, that it was removed as a pass/fail test due to the issues that females were having with passing it. However, it's quite the leap to state that combat effectiveness of the Infantry is no longer of concern to the personnel in charge of running the IOC.

The USMC had no problem smashing cunts all over the globe pre-2012.

 

[CDG]

Definitely looks suspicious and I'd be of the same belief as you, that it was removed as a pass/fail test due to the issues that females were having with passing it. However, it's quite the leap to state that combat effectiveness of the Infantry is no longer of concern to the personnel in charge of running the IOC.

The USMC had no problem smashing cunts all over the globe pre-2012.

That's true, but the test wasn't removed as go/no-go criteria in order to allow women into the infantry either, prior to this instance. I think it's completely reasonable to state that no one who is pushing for the integration of women into combat arms/SOF is concerned with combat effectiveness. It's social experimentation, feminist agenda pushing, and in no way rooted in anything even remotely resembling care for what those units need to be combat effective. Women can, have, and continue to contribute in meaningful ways. There is no place for them in some communities though.

 

[ThunderHorse]

Definitely looks suspicious and I'd be of the same belief as you, that it was removed as a pass/fail test due to the issues that females were having with passing it. However, it's quite the leap to state that combat effectiveness of the Infantry is no longer of concern to the personnel in charge of running the IOC.

The USMC had no problem smashing cunts all over the globe pre-2012.

It wasn't even a pass/fail, it was pass to enter. A few women have passed the E-Course at the IOC previous to the first female Infantry Officer Course graduate. IIRC, all of them were medically removed shortly after.

I'm not sure how IOC-Prep is now. But back in 2012 I knew based on anecdotal references from the Marines in my ABOLC class. Upon graduating TBS all Marine Tank Officers are sent to their units first to wait for a ABOLC class date. All IOC Candidates depending on when they graduate TBS have between 4-6 Weeks between the end of TBS and the beginning of IOC. During that period, their entire purpose in life is to get fit for IOC. The E-Course used to be day 1. Many men have failed the E-Course and re-classed. I'm sure @Teufel is more up to date than I am in regards to IOC prep as I'm not a Marine and all of my Marine peers are commanding Tank Companies now.

 

[Ooh-Rah]

LOL.

LinkedIn is usually pretty professional, but whomever is running the social media sites for The Corps should have known better....

As soon as I saw that there were comments I would have bet A LOT of money what they would be referring to.

 

[Mad boomer]

http://forgodandcountry.com/news/us...ecruits-cant-throw-far-enough/?utm_source=MOH

 

[DocIllinois]

http://forgodandcountry.com/news/us...ecruits-cant-throw-far-enough/?utm_source=MOH

I've been cadre on grenade ranges for folks already in the Army and I can still vouch for this.

Some soldiers even had problems just pulling the pin, which made for some interesting... chats during the alibi. Ugh.

 

[Marine0311]

I've been cadre on grenade ranges for folks already in the Army and I can still vouch for this.

Some soldiers even had problems just pulling the pin, which made for some interesting... chats during the alibi. Ugh.

This is so sad.