Women in Combat Arms/ SOF Discussion

[Ooh-Rah]

Sofrep seems to also mention the pregnant ranger along with other sites

Does it?

Does SOFREP “seem” to mention “the pregnant Ranger” along with “other sites”? (She would still be in training and not yet a Ranger by the way)

There are enough Verified Rangers on this site that if this was a story worth discussing, one of them would have posted something. Maybe they still will, but it is not for you to do so because “SOFREP seemed to mention it”.

What does “seems to mention” even mean?

Did you bother reading the SOFREP article? They have no named source either. this is not a gossip site, if you take time to browse the forum, you will find we deal in fact here; not hearsay.

Do better on your 3rd post.

 

[Jaknight]

Apologies I was trying to just pass along some information I had seen in a google search

 

[Marauder06]

For the record, earning a Ranger tab does not make one “SOF.” In fact, I’d wager that most people who earn a tab never serve in any capacity in a SOF unit. Isn’t this a thread about women in SOF? If so, then a discussion about someone getting knocked up in Ranger School seems to be misplaced.

 

[ThunderHorse]

Here's the article...<mod edit>

@ThunderHorse - why did you post that SOFREP article? (don't answer that).

@Marauder06 in the post above made it clear that the topic was to be dropped.
I just admonished a new member for sourcing it one page back.
It has zero facts and was published for no reason other than gain 'clicks'.
They'll get no such satisfaction from this site.

Rah

 

[Ooh-Rah]

...sigh...

 

[Jaknight]

For the record, earning a Ranger tab does not make one “SOF.” In fact, I’d wager that most people who earn a tab never serve in any capacity in a SOF unit. Isn’t this a thread about women in SOF? If so, then a discussion about someone getting knocked up in Ranger School seems to be misplaced.

Question do Rangers that serve in the 75th have different nickname than regular rangers or is it just ranger for both?

 

[amlove21]

Question do Rangers that serve in the 75th have different nickname than regular rangers or is it just ranger for both?

Ok my friend. Do me a solid.

Post less, read more, use google. k? k.

The thread is about women in SOF career fields. It's already been said once; points to anyone that can't figure it out now.

Have a great ShadowSpear day, everyone!

 

[Kraut783]

 

[Stretcher Jockey]

Honest question here coming from an Air Force guy: is Ranger considered Combat Arms? On United States Army Rangers - The United States Army it specifically states "The purpose of the Army's Ranger course is to prepare these Army volunteers - both officers and enlisted Soldiers - in combat arms related functional skills."

After being here on the site for a while, I understand there is a difference between having the tab, and actually being assigned to a Regiment. Are the people who are tabbed but NOT assigned not a Regiment still considered combat arms professions? Or are they just considered (potentially) solid leaders that are able to keep their head when the plans fall apart?

 

[Marauder06]

Good conversation for a separate thread.

 

[Ooh-Rah]

Best of success to her.

The Marines Didn’t Think Women Belonged in the Infantry. She’s Proving Them Wrong.

MOUNT BUNDEY TRAINING AREA, Australia — First Lt. Marina A. Hierl watched a dozen Marines charge toward human silhouettes made of paper atop a nearby hill. Despite the early hour, the troops’ armored vests and camouflage uniforms were soaked with sweat. She stood back as they scrambled up the rocky incline, shouting and firing rifles.

“Push left,” she said after the squad completed its mock attack and assembled around her, gulping from canteens as they awaited feedback. “And make sure you’re communicating.”

It was a fairly routine instruction to Marines training for war, coming from a lieutenant in a role familiar to the men: a young, college-educated officer who had little experience but had direct oversight of their lives.

But Lieutenant Hierl is the first woman in the Marine Corps to lead an infantry platoon — a historic moment for a male-dominated organization that had fiercely opposed integrating female troops into combat, something that still unsettles many within the ranks.

 

[Deleted member 2517]

Best of success to her.

The Marines Didn’t Think Women Belonged in the Infantry. She’s Proving Them Wrong.

MOUNT BUNDEY TRAINING AREA, Australia — First Lt. Marina A. Hierl watched a dozen Marines charge toward human silhouettes made of paper atop a nearby hill. Despite the early hour, the troops’ armored vests and camouflage uniforms were soaked with sweat. She stood back as they scrambled up the rocky incline, shouting and firing rifles.

“Push left,” she said after the squad completed its mock attack and assembled around her, gulping from canteens as they awaited feedback. “And make sure you’re communicating.”

It was a fairly routine instruction to Marines training for war, coming from a lieutenant in a role familiar to the men: a young, college-educated officer who had little experience but had direct oversight of their lives.

But Lieutenant Hierl is the first woman in the Marine Corps to lead an infantry platoon — a historic moment for a male-dominated organization that had fiercely opposed integrating female troops into combat, something that still unsettles many within the ranks.

See.. the issue I have with this is the publicity. Women being in combat arms is zero issue to me. I was dating a chick in Savannah who is a CrossFit regional competitor who matched me in deadlift (405x3). What I don’t like, and I don’t blame it on the women but on the PAO’s, is that stuff like this draws unwanted attention to them. How many guys did the same live fire/training event and crushed it and didn’t get a shout out in an article? Good on her, bad on the PR machine pumping her up.

 

[NikNifSik]

Best of success to her.

The Marines Didn’t Think Women Belonged in the Infantry. She’s Proving Them Wrong.

MOUNT BUNDEY TRAINING AREA, Australia — First Lt. Marina A. Hierl watched a dozen Marines charge toward human silhouettes made of paper atop a nearby hill. Despite the early hour, the troops’ armored vests and camouflage uniforms were soaked with sweat. She stood back as they scrambled up the rocky incline, shouting and firing rifles.

“Push left,” she said after the squad completed its mock attack and assembled around her, gulping from canteens as they awaited feedback. “And make sure you’re communicating.”

It was a fairly routine instruction to Marines training for war, coming from a lieutenant in a role familiar to the men: a young, college-educated officer who had little experience but had direct oversight of their lives.

But Lieutenant Hierl is the first woman in the Marine Corps to lead an infantry platoon — a historic moment for a male-dominated organization that had fiercely opposed integrating female troops into combat, something that still unsettles many within the ranks.

I wish her success. It will be an uphill battle, and today's environment will always leave question marks around her.

A friend of mine recently said something that rings true to my ears "Forced diversity is the enemy of merit".

Hopefully, she can do right by her Marines, gain their true respect, and lead them honorably.

 

[The Hate Ape]

Lets get real here, its all about the publicity. Anyone who thinks this is an improvement to our military fighting force is either naive or completely in the dark as to what is really going on.

 

[The Hate Ape]

Edit: its not even worth the long post.

Women do not belong in the infantry and with regards to military operations - only possess limited scope relevance in SOF applications (Support Roles).

 

[Box]

If it was really about equality of opportunity and combat readiness it would be worth a discussion but it is about equality of outcome in the name of political leverage

fairness - we need to be fair

 

[Gunz]

RIP Suzie Rottencrotch. Your legendary name will henceforth never be invoked again in a Marine rifle platoon squad bay.

 

[Centermass]

A company first sergeant began an affair with one of the first women to graduate from infantry basic training shortly after she reported to his newly integrated unit late last year. Both have been punished for it. Sgt. 1st Class Chase Usher, who had been serving as the top non commissioned officer of B Company, 2nd Battalion, 505th Parachute Infantry Regiment, 3rd Brigade Combat Team, 82nd Airborne Division at Fort Bragg, North Carolina, has been removed from his position leading soldiers and is serving in a staff role, an 82nd Airborne spokesman told Army Times on Tuesday.

“Disciplinary action deemed appropriate by the chain of command was taken against both individuals and has been completed,” Lt. Col. Ramon Osorio, the division spokesman, said. “Both continue to serve within the division, however, the first sergeant was relieved of his position and currently serves on the staff of a different unit.”

“He didn’t foster a hostile environment to females at work, but was a horny bastard when it came to his personal life,” one soldier said in a sworn statement. "He often preached to us to look out for females in our ranks and not get into trouble with them and not have relationships with them. All the while, he was doing all of this.”



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[Cookie_]

...company first sergeant...

Everyone knows damn well the soldiers were gonna start screwing each other's, as soldiers always have, regardless of career field.

It's just disappointing when Senior NCOs can't keep it in their pants around their own troops.

 

[AWP]

It was consensual, but he's named and the woman isn't? He was dead wrong, but somehow she's the victim? No evidence of favoritism, both were punished, but she isn't named?

Nah, no double standard there at all....