Women in Combat Arms/ SOF Discussion

[Topkick]

Surprise, surprise! This is what boys and girls do.

 

[Box]

...there is just too much fucking testosterone in combat units.

Unacceptable - tone it down - less red meat in the mess hall, there is too much protein. fats, and carbs being fed to our male service members. Males are getting waaay too much sleep and as a result stress levels and cortisol levels are down.
...less sleep worrying about getting their careers crushed for acting like a neanderthal should help fix that

In an odd twist, we could get them to increase their alcohol intake to help drop those tstosterone levels, but that may have some unintended consequences.


Men - they suck

 

[ThunderHorse]

It was consensual, but he's named and the woman isn't? He was dead wrong, but somehow she's the victim? No evidence of favoritism, both were punished, but she isn't named?

Nah, no double standard there at all....

Company 1SG, Private snuffyette...nothing consensual about that even if she says yes yes yes everytime. Abuse of power/fraternization and all that.

 

[Diamondback 2/2]

Instructors claim first female enlisted to earn Ranger tab actually quit, given special treatment

 

[Diamondback 2/2]

Company 1SG, Private snuffyette...nothing consensual about that even if she says yes yes yes everytime. Abuse of power/fraternization and all that.

I normally don't agree with you, but I am 100% with you on this one.

 

[Devildoc]

Instructors claim first female enlisted to earn Ranger tab actually quit, given special treatment

I am shocked, I tell you...shocked....(my not shocked face)....

 

[Box]

Devils advocate - but if one gender is equal to the other gender and grown ups are able to pursue grown up goals with the expectation of grown up behavior, why aren't both genders being taught to absolutely reject the advances of the other gender ESPECIALLY when it is a case of abuse of power or fraternization?
So am I to understand that the female in this case needs to be rescued from the males in her unit?

If so - let's crucify that 1SG to the absolute maximum extent of the law - from this day forward sex with a junior service member shall be treated like statutory rape because junior service members aren't mature enough to make their own choices.


I'm outraged at this outrage - it's so outrageous !!




...but at least we are finally focused on REAL news - not the reality TV shit show going on in Washington DC

 

[medicchick]

It was consensual, but he's named and the woman isn't? He was dead wrong, but somehow she's the victim? No evidence of favoritism, both were punished, but she isn't named?

Nah, no double standard there at all....

The only reason I can think of is because it's not his first time doing this and one such event lead to a child being created. Public shaming for a repeat offender?

 

[Ooh-Rah]

I'm ouraged at this outrage - it's so outrageous !!

 

[Centermass]

Instructors claim first female enlisted to earn Ranger tab actually quit, given special treatment

The Public Affairs team at Fort Benning’s Airborne and Ranger Training Brigade would not comment on the matter, claiming that more information would need to be gathered before an official statement could be prepared.

In other words, don't hold your breath.

 

[BlackSmokeRisinG]

Who would have thought????

 

[Topkick]

I have been retired for awhile now and these issues were non existent when I was in infantry, armor, and cavalry units. Given the nature of the media to sensationalize, I can't get a good read on how well opening up these mos's to women is actually working/ not working. I don't support women in infantry and armor, but it doesn't really matter what I think anymore. However, I wonder if these decisions will ever be revisited or reversed?Thoughts?

 

[Diamondback 2/2]

I really should say some shit... but wherever. It's a different Army and my shit ain't on the line anymore. Not that I was ever asked, but on word with the black and gold!

 

[R.Caerbannog]

It was consensual, but he's named and the woman isn't? He was dead wrong, but somehow she's the victim? No evidence of favoritism, both were punished, but she isn't named?

Nah, no double standard there at all....

So, someone from another site linked her facebook/instagram modeling pictures. Unless the 82nd recently got exoskeletons, I don't see her humping a 240 or 249 anywhere. God damn it, liberals had to ruin the 82nd. Cest la vie.

edit: Posted incorrect info. Apparently the 82nd now has a bunch of scantily clad female fitness models as grunts.

 

[Cookie_]

So, someone from another site linked her facebook/instagram modeling pictures. Unless the 82nd recently got exoskeletons, I don't see her humping a 240 or 249 anywhere. God damn it, liberals had to ruin the 82nd. Cest la vie.

edit: Posted incorrect info. Apparently the 82nd now has a bunch of scantily clad female fitness models as grunts.

Apparently Popular Military did a write-up on the soldier involved with that 1SG.

Only problem is they linked to the Facebook and personal info of a completely unrelated female soldier.

 

[R.Caerbannog]

Apparently Popular Military did a write-up on the soldier involved with that 1SG.

Only problem is they linked to the Facebook and personal info of a completely unrelated female soldier.

Yep, I was an ass and posted info before I dug into it. Though, damn... some of these female grunts look like Instagram fitness models. Like damn, I can understand someone throwing away their career over some of these women.

 

[Mad boomer]

Read this today: The Ranger School Conspiracy

 

[AWP]

Read this today: The Ranger School Conspiracy

Holy shit....

Keating’s story was quickly lambasted by former Ranger Training Brigade Commander, Colonel David Fivecoat and former Fort Benning Maneuver Center commander, General Scott Miller, who both adamantly claimed that there was no special treatment given to Griest and Haver, while demanding that Keating reveal her sources.

He was Delta in Somalia and a former JSOC commander. If he was in on it....

In order to placate fools in Congress and their superiors, in order to pad their pensions, promotions and future defense contractor jobs, Pentagon perfumed princes have demanded female graduates from Ranger School, national security be damned.

Someone please tell me the author isnt a Hackworth acolyte. Ugh.

 

[Cookie_]

Regarding all the stories from Ranger School that source "anonymous Instructors and students" has there been anything written or put forth that seems like it might actually be from someone with firsthand knowledge, instead of people who seem like tab defenders?
Not to belittle anyone who questions the integrity of the course, but most things about it read as rumor.
Need a RI to write something like that open letter last year about the standards at SWCS.

 

[AWP]

Regarding all the stories from Ranger School that source "anonymous Instructors and students" has there been anything written or put forth that seems like it might actually be from someone with firsthand knowledge, instead of people who seem like tab defenders?
Not to belittle anyone who questions the integrity of the course, but most things about it read as rumor.
Need a RI to write something like that open letter last year about the standards at SWCS.

We have members with inside knowledge, ties to instructors at the various SOF schools, stuff like that. When they speak I listen and some of the stories in that article aren't news to a few of us. If anything, I'd say there's a lot more to the story.

With that said, they volunteer what they know or they don't. If some of them want to come forward, great. If not, that's fine by us too. We're not burning sources and the staff would frown upon members running their own HUMINT programs on other members of this board.

The board can believe what it wants about that article, but some of us have seen most of those details already. I did some digging and the author was close to David Hackworth...disappointing but I doubt anything in the article is incorrect.

YMMV.