Uhh, hello, it's the AF? That's a recruiting prereq?
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Uhh, hello, it's the AF? That's a recruiting prereq?
Some assessment and selection and Air Force Occupational-specific fitness test standards over the years for comparison purposes.
The PJ PAST assessment and section standard originates with the 17-29 years old age bracket used by Pararescue when the Pararescue Assessment and Selection Course was established as an entry requirement in 1964. The PAST from ARRSR 55-11 Dec 1977.pdf captures these standards.
8-count body builders and flutter kicks were removed during 1989 by CCT functional managers after the combined CCT and PJ Indoc course was established effective 1 August 1987. At this time it became known as the PJ and Combat Control PAST. One minimum standard for both specialties.
Circa 2000 it simply became the PAST with different minimums for PJ, CCT, SOWT, SERE, TACP and AF EOD.
As far as I'm aware of, nobody has informed me differently, the 2019 PAST is still being used for enlisted entry classification purposes to enlist with a GTEP contract and for enlisted to cross train out of one Air Force specialty into the PJ, CCT, SR (formerly SOW), TACP, SERE, and AF EOD specialties.
So curious who would/could pass the 1977 standards?
The PJ PAST assessment and section standard originates with the 17-29 years old age bracket used by Pararescue when the Pararescue Assessment and Selection Course was established as an entry requirement in 1964. The PAST from ARRSR 55-11 Dec 1977.pdf captures these standards.
8-count body builders and flutter kicks were removed during 1989 by CCT functional managers after the combined CCT and PJ Indoc course was established effective 1 August 1987. At this time it became known as the PJ and Combat Control PAST. One minimum standard for both specialties.
Circa 2000 it simply became the PAST with different minimums for PJ, CCT, SOWT, SERE, TACP and AF EOD.
As far as I'm aware of, nobody has informed me differently, the 2019 PAST is still being used for enlisted entry classification purposes to enlist with a GTEP contract and for enlisted to cross train out of one Air Force specialty into the PJ, CCT, SR (formerly SOW), TACP, SERE, and AF EOD specialties.
So curious who would/could pass the 1977 standards?
ThunderHorse
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Damn, those fuckers were fit.
Yes, we were back then before the days of CrossFit, massive steroids use and abuse, and everybody gets the feel good participation trophy.
Attached is an OL-J fitness test stats for OL-J Indoc Class 78-04 day before they shjpped out into the training pipeline, dated 27 November 1973. Started in morning with 6-mile run followed immediately by calisthenics, followed by swim. The water confidence was done after lunch.
Nobody failed and the last SIE or medical elimination (meningitis) was five weeks earlier.
Attached is an OL-J fitness test stats for OL-J Indoc Class 78-04 day before they shjpped out into the training pipeline, dated 27 November 1973. Started in morning with 6-mile run followed immediately by calisthenics, followed by swim. The water confidence was done after lunch.
Nobody failed and the last SIE or medical elimination (meningitis) was five weeks earlier.
Seriously. What in the flying fuck does decades-dated and tactically/strategically irrelevant to a modern battlefield information that you keep in your back pocket have to do with what the hell is going on today for training modern battlefield troops?
I mean, shit man, there's not classes on goddamn muskets anymore, are you going to start breaking out the TM/FM for a Sharps and quoting how a .65 ball is superior to 5.56 within it's operational range overlap?
I mean, shit man, there's not classes on goddamn muskets anymore, are you going to start breaking out the TM/FM for a Sharps and quoting how a .65 ball is superior to 5.56 within it's operational range overlap?
Yes, technology has changed. But those who won the battle with a sharp would most likely win the battle using modern technology.
I thought or hoped seeing how fitness standards have changed might be a bit more interestingly relevant to some than how hot is she questions and answers.
I thought or hoped seeing how fitness standards have changed might be a bit more interestingly relevant to some than how hot is she questions and answers.
If I could wipe this thread off the board, I would.
Get back to the actual topic, how we are going to integrate women in combat/SOF career fields.
Sounds like the ALO (the one that actually passed a selection, got qualified, and is currently deployed putting effects downrange) is doing just fine.
Get back to the actual topic, how we are going to integrate women in combat/SOF career fields.
Sounds like the ALO (the one that actually passed a selection, got qualified, and is currently deployed putting effects downrange) is doing just fine.
ThunderHorse
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Like we do everyone else? The best integration happens is when we maintain the standards and that individual meets them without regard to what's betwixt their legs.
Well it seems the AF is integrating, so why is the how even a question among those serving in the AF now that it has happened within the TACP officer/enlisted human performance capability provided to win the fight?
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The first enlisted woman to attempt Air Force special reconnaissance training has been dropped from the program
The first enlisted woman to attempt the Air Force's special operations weather career field — now known as special reconnaissance (SR) — has not been selected to proceed further in her training, according to Air Education and Training Command.
The trainee, unidentified for privacy reasons, was the eighth woman to try any kind of battlefield training in the Air Force since the Defense Department opened combat career fields to all in December 2015.
But the SR candidate "was not selected to proceed further in training during assessment and selection," according to AETC spokeswoman Marilyn Holliday.
The first enlisted woman to attempt Air Force special reconnaissance training has been dropped from the program
The first enlisted woman to attempt the Air Force's special operations weather career field — now known as special reconnaissance (SR) — has not been selected to proceed further in her training, according to Air Education and Training Command.
The trainee, unidentified for privacy reasons, was the eighth woman to try any kind of battlefield training in the Air Force since the Defense Department opened combat career fields to all in December 2015.
But the SR candidate "was not selected to proceed further in training during assessment and selection," according to AETC spokeswoman Marilyn Holliday.
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Watched the recent change of command of 75th RR and noticed there appeared to be a female CPT with scroll, short tab, and scroll for combat patch.
If a candidate can meet the standards, I personally don’t care what position they use to pee.
If a candidate can meet the standards, I personally don’t care what position they use to pee.
I feel is does a disservice to women when their failures are publicized. I understand the integration of sorts is still unraveling itself, but no need to highlight it. The whole point is to remove the special attention.
Waking up at 0300 from a deep sleep to answer the calls of my tiny bladder, I'm taking the easiest route which will allow me to keep my eyes closed. Just say'n.
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She’s regimental S1.
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Do you think that the Regiment has handled the integration of females fairly well?
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93 pages and redundancy abounds. When your ass is in the sling and your bleeding and the contact is still hot and in doubt, you're not going to care who comes through running react. You won't care if the motherfucker has a dick and wears a dress.
I've seen women Vietcong dead beside their male comrades. And of our women athlete-warriors today, I would've been very reassured to have one of them fighting alongside me.
I've changed my attitude over the duration of this thread. I still think sexual tension can cause disruption and favoritism in certain units and under certain circumstances. But there are dedicated, professional female warriors who pack the gear.
I've seen women Vietcong dead beside their male comrades. And of our women athlete-warriors today, I would've been very reassured to have one of them fighting alongside me.
I've changed my attitude over the duration of this thread. I still think sexual tension can cause disruption and favoritism in certain units and under certain circumstances. But there are dedicated, professional female warriors who pack the gear.
Devildoc
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Being totally honest, my jury is still out. Awaiting further data. So far the 'n' has been very small.
We've had women fully integrated for a long time now. They are just as much of warriors as the next man. But you are right, the sexual tension is probably the last major hurdle to counter, sexual harassment and assault is still common place. But it's still rampant in the rest of society and I'm a firm believer that our military's are just a concentrated display of society. Until we fix these problems across society, it will still be there in the military; no matter how much death by PowerPoint you shove down the troops throats.
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