Your 2024 Presidential Election Thread

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Some of the first people to congratulate Trump were tech bros like Zuck, Tim Cook of Apple, and Bill Gates. The same people who vilified the guy for the better part of a decade and actively worked against him.

They might lean left, but at the end of the day they lean towards who can make them more money.

Average anti-Trump C-suite staff getting ready to post about Orange Man on (insert social media here)

 

[The Quartermaster]

What is an oligarch but an elite through money?
It's like how all squares are rectangles but not all rectangles are squares.



To your early question, I'd say "elites" would be people with outsized social influence through economic/cultural means. What you're saying here is the point I was making. Elites aren't just entertainment industry celebs, and they aren't just tied to one party anymore.

What is a straw man but a straw man in a disingenuous retort? You're pretending that a person cannot have more than one synonym here. That's indefensible as an argument.

And no, there are elites out there who are definitely tied to just one party and one party alone. If they change over, the internet calls it being pilled. I call it walking away. I walked away from the Dems when they chose an absolute bag of nonsense with Bill Clinton. And being it's 2024 he still has yet to not prove once that he wasn't a lying, pedo, adultering, Un-American dingleberry of douche-nozzle proportions. You just don't come back to a party that supported him and tried to damage control that he as a married man never cheated and that a BJ from a position of power over a subordinate was okay...which is how I know that every argument being used against an R that was even remotely close to being a slime-bag too, is a false one of mock outrage.

I digress.

If you want to be a proponent of changing semantics to fit your narrative here, that's fine I guess. But to call another disingenuous while doing so yourself, is projection my friend and that's a fact.

 

[Cookie_]

What is a straw man but a straw man in a disingenuous retort? You're pretending that a person cannot have more than one synonym here. That's indefensible as an argument.

I literally said an oligarch is just another word for an elite. I never said they can't have more, just that one being a specific term doesn't prevent the other from being applicable.

If you want to be a proponent of changing semantics to fit your narrative here, that's fine I guess. But to call another disingenuous while doing so yourself, is projection my friend and that's a fact.

I've yet to call anyone disingenuous. Not sure where I'm "changing semantics" at either on this topic.

Idk what you're on about projection, this is literally just a conversation on a niche military forum I like to play punching bag on sometimes lol. It's really not that serious.

 

[The Quartermaster]

I literally said an oligarch is just another word for an elite. I never said they can't have more, just that one being a specific term doesn't prevent the other from being applicable.



I've yet to call anyone disingenuous. Not sure where I'm "changing semantics" at either on this topic.

Idk what you're on about projection, this is literally just a conversation on a niche military forum I like to play punching bag on sometimes lol. It's really not that serious.

You were arguing with the other guy saying that Swift wasn't an elite. Then another called him an oligarch when the topic was use of this word elite was the topic.

If it isn't so serious, then why have a serious tone when wanting to rebuttal with everyone? You announced being concerned with AI and fake news, yet the elections were over and nothing could be done to change minds over something that has no going back to. That's being serious to me, in a not so serious conversation now that the results are final. You cannot see it? Or challenging accusations about possible cheating in the AZ elections as not being serious? Jeez.

A not so serious reply is agreeing to disagree. Is not being serious another different meaning to you then too?

 

[Cookie_]

You were arguing with the other guy saying that Swift wasn't an elite. Then another called him an oligarch when the topic was use of this word elite was the topic.

If it isn't so serious, then why have a serious tone when wanting to rebuttal with everyone? You announced being concerned with AI and fake news, yet the elections were over and nothing could be done to change minds over something that has no going back to. That's being serious to me, in a not so serious conversation now that the results are final. You cannot see it? Or challenging accusations about possible cheating in the AZ elections as not being serious? Jeez.

A not so serious reply is agreeing to disagree. Is not being serious another different meaning to you then too?

I forget sometimes that I'm (probably) the youngest member of this board.

"Not that serious" is commonly used as a synonym for "calm down" on the internet within certain sites/age groups. We can have serious conversations without getting riled up.

I post in the politics threads here specifically for the conversations. I'd go on reddit, but i hold the distinction of being banned from posting on both the conservative and democrat subreddits.

I think you've misread a bunch of my comments if you think I was disagreeing with people about Swift being an elite, or if you think I'm the person who brought up the word oligarch for Musk.

Either way, I gotta go get a ruck in. I'll agree to disagree on this and let this thread get back on track.

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[The Quartermaster]

The Left keeps giving me more reasons to oppose them in every which way. I'm starting to really believe that when they call for unity, it's changed meaning, meaning unite with them or else we'll be maniacal twats.

Women furious about Trump’s win start ‘MATGA’ movement — which glorifies poisoning men: ‘They asked for it’

 

[Devildoc]

What Trump can do to fix the military: This guy gets it.

https://www.realcleardefense.com/articles/2024/11/11/what_trump_can_do_for_the_military_1071280.html

 

[TLDR20]

I forget sometimes that I'm (probably) the youngest member of this board.

"Not that serious" is commonly used as a synonym for "calm down" on the internet within certain sites/age groups. We can have serious conversations without getting riled up.

I post in the politics threads here specifically for the conversations. I'd go on reddit, but i hold the distinction of being banned from posting on both the conservative and democrat subreddits.

I think you've misread a bunch of my comments if you think I was disagreeing with people about Swift being an elite, or if you think I'm the person who brought up the word oligarch for Musk.

Either way, I gotta go get a ruck in. I'll agree to disagree on this and let this thread get back on track.

New topic suggestion! Trump announces Border Czar

I’m excited to see what food prices do when/if the deportations happen. Will be fun when food 3-5x’s price, or the deficit balloons because we have to increase subsidies to farmers to artificially drive prices down. But hey Military aged males(also working in fields and manual labor aged males) will be deported. I know I can afford my grocery bill to double or triple. I don’t think most Americans can.

 

[Devildoc]

I’m excited to see what food prices do when/if the deportations happen. Will be fun when food 3-5x’s price, or the deficit balloons because we have to increase subsidies to farmers to artificially drive prices down. But hey Military aged males(also working in fields and manual labor aged males) will be deported. I know I can afford my grocery bill to double or triple. I don’t think most Americans can.

I just turned 56, on Friday. I've heard that rhetoric since Ronald Reagan's campaign. I am cautiously optimistic that his administration will come up with a plan to get rid of the known criminal element and find a way to increase the ability for people who want citizenship to be on a path to get citizenship.

 

[ThunderHorse]

I forget sometimes that I'm (probably) the youngest member of this board.

"Not that serious" is commonly used as a synonym for "calm down" on the internet within certain sites/age groups. We can have serious conversations without getting riled up.

I post in the politics threads here specifically for the conversations. I'd go on reddit, but i hold the distinction of being banned from posting on both the conservative and democrat subreddits.

I think you've misread a bunch of my comments if you think I was disagreeing with people about Swift being an elite, or if you think I'm the person who brought up the word oligarch for Musk.

Either way, I gotta go get a ruck in. I'll agree to disagree on this and let this thread get back on track.

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Poor assumption, there are younger members than you!!! But it's not me. @Archangel27 is one of them, there are more they just don't post as often as us losers without lives.

 

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[ThunderHorse]

Elon is an oligarch. Even though Tay Tay is rich beyond belief, I would only classify her as an elite.

Taylor Swift is worth 1.6B and she has 283M followers on instagram. If that doesn't qualify as a societal elite, I'm gonna be grasping at straws. Beyonce has 314M Followers on the gram and is worth 800M, definitely an elite.

The point here is that the Elite in this country heavily backed the Democrats. Yes, some elites backed Trump, but far fewer. That's the point. Trump got the working man's and woman's vote, because he ran a normal campaign. And Kamala couldn't even string a sentence together. But we're here arguing over definitions because some people won't just admit that their party caters to fringe issues and identity politic.

 

[TLDR20]

I just turned 56, on Friday. I've heard that rhetoric since Ronald Reagan's campaign. I am cautiously optimistic that his administration will come up with a plan to get rid of the known criminal element and find a way to increase the ability for people who want citizenship to be on a path to get citizenship.

That’s cool. It isn’t what was promised. I doubt it will be delivered either, but part of me just wants to see everyone feel the consequences of their actions.

I truly hope for a Trump presidency that is moderate. Where he is either unwilling to do his more extreme things, or is unable. But if he does the crazy stuff, I look forward to seeing it play out in many people day to day. “It’s the economy” cuts both ways, and if he fucks it up, it will be a long time before another republican is elected.

I’ll be fine either way.

 

[Cookie_]

I just turned 56, on Friday. I've heard that rhetoric since Ronald Reagan's campaign. I am cautiously optimistic that his administration will come up with a plan to get rid of the known criminal element and find a way to increase the ability for people who want citizenship to be on a path to get citizenship.

So there is (somewhat common) left-of-liberal/leftist arguement that instead of deporting these aliens, you provide them paths to citizenship to make them taxpayers, and write legislation that smashes American businesses that are using illegal labor.

It's literally just doing The 1986 Amnesty bill, but keeping the teeth in it. If Trump pulls off something like that, I'd be willing to put money that it would supercharge demographic changes from D to R and win a shit ton of good will with independent/non-commital voters.

Poor assumption, there are younger members than you!!! But it's not me. @Archangel27 is one of them, there are more they just don't post as often as us losers without lives.

I knew there were a few, but I couldn't think of who!

Taylor Swift is worth 1.6B and she has 283M followers on instagram. If that doesn't qualify as a societal elite, I'm gonna be grasping at straws. Beyonce has 314M Followers on the gram and is worth 800M, definitely an elite.

The point here is that the Elite in this country heavily backed the Democrats. Yes, some elites backed Trump, but far fewer. That's the point. Trump got the working man's and woman's vote, because he ran a normal campaign. And Kamala couldn't even string a sentence together. But we're here arguing over definitions because some people won't just admit that their party caters to fringe issues and identity politic.

I don't disagree with anything here.

In the real world this would have been a 45 second discussion about the term "elite" before we agreed and went back to our beers, but the internet does have a way to make it more convoluted.

 

[AWP]

I'm kind of stupid, I'll wait to see what Trump actually does before I get my panties in a bunch. No cheers, no jeers, just let the man cook and see what happens. Not the market reacting to what it thinks he will do, or even what he's saying now, but when he actually does something. I won't base my expectations on Trump 1.0 like so many in the country right now, I'll wait for Trump 2.0 to do something because I have a feeling this time around the sun will not be the same as the last time.

That's assuming President Vance isn't sworn into office in January.

 

[SpongeBob*24]

That’s cool. It isn’t what was promised. I doubt it will be delivered either, but part of me just wants to see everyone feel the consequences of their actions.

I truly hope for a Trump presidency that is moderate. Where he is either unwilling to do his more extreme things, or is unable. But if he does the crazy stuff, I look forward to seeing it play out in many people day to day. “It’s the economy” cuts both ways, and if he fucks it up, it will be a long time before another republican is elected.

I’ll be fine either way.

So you want to see others fail to prove you're right?


I want to see others succeed...no matter the cost. That's where we disagree.

 

[Gunz]

I don’t give a flying fuck if illegal immigrants are deported in droves. And frankly I hope Trump tightens legal immigration by imposing quotas. (It’s been done before.)

 

[The Quartermaster]

That’s cool. It isn’t what was promised. I doubt it will be delivered either, but part of me just wants to see everyone feel the consequences of their actions.

I truly hope for a Trump presidency that is moderate. Where he is either unwilling to do his more extreme things, or is unable. But if he does the crazy stuff, I look forward to seeing it play out in many people day to day. “It’s the economy” cuts both ways, and if he fucks it up, it will be a long time before another republican is elected.

I’ll be fine either way.

False narratives are called false for a reason, but you wanting him to fail and for us to be punished for not going with a dumpster fire that lived a dumpster fire life is an entirely new level of apathy and vindictiveness.

Limousine liberals say the same thing that they can ride it out, party of the people my ass.

FYI I'm still waiting for you to explain where Walz kept faith to the US Army NCO Creed, Soldier's Creed, and remained true to the Army Values as the senior living embodiment of it. Your lack of a response pre election day tells everything.

 

[GOTWA]

What is an oligarch but an elite through money?
It's like how all squares are rectangles but not all rectangles are squares.



To your early question, I'd say "elites" would be people with outsized social influence through economic/cultural means. What you're saying here is the point I was making. Elites aren't just entertainment industry celebs, and they aren't just tied to one party anymore.

Taylor Swift is worth 1.6B and she has 283M followers on instagram. If that doesn't qualify as a societal elite, I'm gonna be grasping at straws. Beyonce has 314M Followers on the gram and is worth 800M, definitely an elite.

The point here is that the Elite in this country heavily backed the Democrats. Yes, some elites backed Trump, but far fewer. That's the point. Trump got the working man's and woman's vote, because he ran a normal campaign. And Kamala couldn't even string a sentence together. But we're here arguing over definitions because some people won't just admit that their party caters to fringe issues and identity politic.

I never said Tay Tay wasn't an Elite, I merely said that she doesn't rack and stack when it comes to Elon. Which would also include Zuck, Bezos, the Gates', Soros, The Murdocks, etc. Having a fuck ton amount of money and a huge IG base...meh. The others listen have real power and influence, and not just in the USA. Tay Tay isn't going to run her own media platform, news outlet, space company, etc, nor is she going to take on governments. Elon bought Twitter and a giant fuck you. Swift had to be paid to show up to a rally to speak for Kamala.

The Hollywood Elites have influence, but the others...the others have power. They're part of a club the elites don't belong to.

 

[ThunderHorse]

I’m excited to see what food prices do when/if the deportations happen. Will be fun when food 3-5x’s price, or the deficit balloons because we have to increase subsidies to farmers to artificially drive prices down. But hey Military aged males(also working in fields and manual labor aged males) will be deported. I know I can afford my grocery bill to double or triple. I don’t think most Americans can.

Why do you think it will go up? Most of the illegals aren't working in our fields picking lettuce, this isn't the 1980s. Illegals are in major cities just sucking the social services teet, they are a drain on local economies and resources. It's pretty racist to think brown illegals are automatically the ones working our fields. Actually I don't think you're being racist, I think you're just being reductive.

Most of us brown folk from legal immigrant stock hate illegals. My grandfather would rail against them at the dinner table all through the 90s every time an INS raid would a factory here, a Walmart there, and it hit the news.

Cameltoes political career is over, She's less likeable than Hillary, and totally incompetent.

Joe's camp (headed by Jill) hates her, and that keeps him in office (unless Soros offers a 463L pallet full of cash). The Biden's know the gravy train has run it's course and are gonna keep it going as long as they can.

Now to answer the question on how could the DNC run through a Billion Dollars.

My theory: Presidents Clinton, Obama (including Joe) and Biden (including Kamala) had/have massive staffs, paid for by tax dollars (unlimited money supply). They also created six-figure jobs for friends.

They got use to a never ending money supply, and took that attitude with them when running for office (am I correct in understanding that they paid Taylor and Beyonce for those appearances?). It never occurred to them that the money supply was finite, hence the overspending.

Pulling this in from the Iran thread. When Trump first took office, we found out that the NSC had over 400 staff directly assigned to the NSC. And Trump was trying to gut it, make it more efficient...but you had idiots like the Vindman twins who are shithead politicians who definitely didn't want to go anywhere. I'm certain that he didn't get to cut it in half and the NSC probably has 600 staffers assigned to it now.

This about all the bloat. They Byron administration attempted to say October was slow, but still positive job growth. Well, the federal goverment had added 400,000 new employees...like you get rid of those hires from October and we're contracting by 600,000 jobs!