As an Army guy, I even accept that a Marine has infinitely more responsibility in the "junior" grades. An E4 infantry TL, IMO, has more influence and knowledge than a lot of E6s in the Army I served under.
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My dentist's father who sometimes fills in for her, was a SP5 in Vietnam. I would have loved to have been a SP5 and a SP6 as a quartermaster. Change it SGT and SSG if in SPO or for a warehouse gig.
I think SP5 should return IMO.
I think SP5 should return IMO.
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Maybe in CS or CSS, but in Army combat arms units, SSG's run the show. There is a lot more to being a squad leader vs.TL.
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I was only an 11B for a short time until reclassing, but this was very true where I was at.
My pops was a Sp/5 as a line medic in Nam but when he wanted DS school, he had to switch to hard E5. There were no Sp/5 DS.
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I served in mostly Armor and Infantry units and most E6's were studs, or at least competent at leading and maneuvering multiple teams. But I can certainly see how some REMF SSG could be less stellar than a Marine E4. Mileage may very.
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That's why I am in agreement and why not everyone between E-5 and R-6 needs to automatically be an NCO in the technical MOS's unless the slot is an actual leadership position.
They've done it with E-4 with SPC and CPL's and it actually works. Not everyone needs or has to be a CPL at E-4. Having a stupid high points system for promotions in certain technical MOS's doesn't ensure quality over quantity, it just removes quality hitting an RCP and some useless DEI getting hooked up to be promoted to a job that they should have never been able to to get to.
Show me the NCOER's and their ERB's. If I see a slick uniformed and no tabbed or patched NCO of another race and gender, lol, NO you didn't earn it over a constantly deployed at RCP E-4 with wings, patches, tabs, etc. That's the Effing problem. Anyone want to argue that? Then answer me this, why is training to time and not to standard and check the block classes of utter BS taken over SGT's Time? Anyone? I will wait.
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You'll be waiting a long time.....
I don’t claim them. It’s basically a mix of DEI intersectionality and absence of a gag reflex at this point.
There's a 7-level vs 9-level joke in here...
Fuck! Lol
All my squad leaders in the infantry were Corporals or Lance Corporals. Sergeant squad leaders were rare. It wouldn’t surprise me if the average Army SSG and Marine Sgt have similar time in service.
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Thats interesting, sir. The OP compared Marine E4 team leaders to Army E6's. Nearly all of my SSG's in CA units were competent squad leaders (and sometimes PSGs), so I can't agree with that generalization. But experience level is a game changer, regardless of the amount of chevrons or branch.
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Not trying to make this a dick measuring conversation or take anything from young Marines, but by the time I pinned on E7, I already had two years as a Platoon Sergeant responsible for 30 soldiers, 6 BFV's, and a second lieutenant. This is not the norm but also not all that uncommon. I don't even think it's a relevant comparison. There will different scenario's, especially in combat, so situations will very.
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I'm wondering if it's because the USMC is much fewer in numbers that they are pickier at who makes NCO ranks because it has to be someone they all want as an NCO and to retain them. Does the USMC have a retention control point and what are the requisites for promotions? Time in service/time in grade? Slots opening up finally?
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And another question but on a subject going back to this thread topic of interest:
Do y'all think that he will actually drain the swamp this time? Like as in, seriously get rid of the partisans, DEI soup sandwich nutbags of uselessness, in the feds at every branches of government? It's been more than plainly obvious that everything from FEMA, DOJ, to the mil needs to give cunts the boot, or at least a reeducation that their allegiances are to this nation and it's citizens, and not a political party or a politician from said political party.
Do y'all think that he will actually drain the swamp this time? Like as in, seriously get rid of the partisans, DEI soup sandwich nutbags of uselessness, in the feds at every branches of government? It's been more than plainly obvious that everything from FEMA, DOJ, to the mil needs to give cunts the boot, or at least a reeducation that their allegiances are to this nation and it's citizens, and not a political party or a politician from said political party.
Drain it? No. That's wildly optimistic. Skim some of the scum off the top and maybe get some fresh water flowing? Yes.
I don't think Trump's legacy will be solving the problem, his legacy will be "prepping the battlefield" for future success. I question if Vance is that instrument and would rather have seen another outsider brought in as VP, but I'm not in charge this week.
Our problems took generations and decades to create. 4 years will not be enough time to turn the ship around, but it is enough time to get us moving in that direction. People, including some on this board, want to "burn it all down", but that will cause more problems. Generational changes suddenly reversed in a short period cause war and economic collapse. That isn't in anyone's best interests except for the people who will benefit from the chaos. That isn't anyone on this board.
Get rid of the craptastic leadership at Federal agencies (including the DoD), abolish DEI, and set the conditions for real change. Trump can do that, but he isn't draining the swamp.
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