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Your 2024 Presidential Election Thread
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Just once - I'd like to see somebody pull out a fucking APFT score sheet when one of these screeching congresswomen start telling lies about objective standards
JUST.ONCE.
Just once I'd like "objective standards" to be discussed in the same context as the score card for these "equal infantrypersons"
...we certainly don't have any uniformed senior leaders with the moral courage to do it so maybe we need a Fox TV personality to step up and do that "speaking truth to power" thing that they keep talking about in all of our leader professional development courses
Or don't - keep telling lies as long as the "bubble chart" on your power point readiness slide stays "green"
For fuck sake - "We the People" paid the government MILLIONS of our hard earned tax dollars because theu said they would make make the PT test "objective"
...but a chain of more "qualified" secretaries of defense have failed to deliver objective standards
FAILED
...and then and those who identify as female began to show a pattern of failure SO fucking dismal that the Army removed the fucking event because it was TOO god damned "equal" for soldiers that identify as female to pass the mother fucker...
...ok troop hang from this mother fucking bar
...now, lift your legs
...come on now, lift 'em up
...all the way
...good, continue
...continue
...I said continue
...come on now, continue; you are "on the clock" for record
...never mind, we'll just remove the fucking event so you can continue to be equal
SKREE - SKREE - SKREE - OBJECKTIVE STANDARDS OF EEKWALITEE - SKREE - SKREE - SKREE
objective standards - my shiny metal ass
edited to add - I turned 57 in June and for purely shit talking purposes, I took the ACFT with a buddy. He just turned 60 and talked even MORE shit. He crushed me in the plank and the run - I beat him in the dead lift and power throw - we were pretty much even on the others.
He he even went so far as to take the ACFT with the "green suiters" when they took their for record. I did not.
At 57 years old, I scored a 537
Scored to Female 17-21 standards I still scored a 527 which is SIGNIFICANTLY higher than the Army wide female average of 477
Scored to MALE 17-21 standards my score drops to a 456 which is significantly LOWER than the army wide male average of 498
Yet - when those two soldiers go to a promotion board - the female infantryperson with a 527 is going to get treated to a promotion and a positive outlook by her leaders
The male infantry person with the 456 is going to get treated like a shit bag
...for posting the exact same mother fucking performance
because, "objective standards"
...no senator - you are the one that is wrong
...or just willingly and zealously spreading misinformation
JUST.ONCE.
Just once I'd like "objective standards" to be discussed in the same context as the score card for these "equal infantrypersons"
...we certainly don't have any uniformed senior leaders with the moral courage to do it so maybe we need a Fox TV personality to step up and do that "speaking truth to power" thing that they keep talking about in all of our leader professional development courses
Or don't - keep telling lies as long as the "bubble chart" on your power point readiness slide stays "green"
For fuck sake - "We the People" paid the government MILLIONS of our hard earned tax dollars because theu said they would make make the PT test "objective"
...but a chain of more "qualified" secretaries of defense have failed to deliver objective standards
FAILED
...and then and those who identify as female began to show a pattern of failure SO fucking dismal that the Army removed the fucking event because it was TOO god damned "equal" for soldiers that identify as female to pass the mother fucker...
...ok troop hang from this mother fucking bar
...now, lift your legs
...come on now, lift 'em up
...all the way
...good, continue
...continue
...I said continue
...come on now, continue; you are "on the clock" for record
...never mind, we'll just remove the fucking event so you can continue to be equal
SKREE - SKREE - SKREE - OBJECKTIVE STANDARDS OF EEKWALITEE - SKREE - SKREE - SKREE
objective standards - my shiny metal ass
edited to add - I turned 57 in June and for purely shit talking purposes, I took the ACFT with a buddy. He just turned 60 and talked even MORE shit. He crushed me in the plank and the run - I beat him in the dead lift and power throw - we were pretty much even on the others.
He he even went so far as to take the ACFT with the "green suiters" when they took their for record. I did not.
At 57 years old, I scored a 537
Scored to Female 17-21 standards I still scored a 527 which is SIGNIFICANTLY higher than the Army wide female average of 477
Scored to MALE 17-21 standards my score drops to a 456 which is significantly LOWER than the army wide male average of 498
Yet - when those two soldiers go to a promotion board - the female infantryperson with a 527 is going to get treated to a promotion and a positive outlook by her leaders
The male infantry person with the 456 is going to get treated like a shit bag
...for posting the exact same mother fucking performance
because, "objective standards"
...no senator - you are the one that is wrong
...or just willingly and zealously spreading misinformation
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I think it was the dot thread where I learned...some men have periods.
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Hey y'all gender norming scores for the APFT on the 2 mile run minimum score is 3 minutes for 60 points. For the maximum it's a difference of 2:36. Are we equal? No. Were there women faster than me? Yes. Did they weigh 200lbs like me? No. I didn't see a single woman in the Army that weighed as much as I did, lifted as much as I did, and could run as fast as I did? Do these women exist in the world? Certainly. But I didn't see these mutants anywhere.
We had a female FSO that carried her own ruck and held her own in garrison. But I always wondered if the 5-2, 110lbs girl would actually keep up if we did a ruck in full kit and a real combat load...I say this because I had male soldiers that would fall out. (nothing against her, she was good people)
Guys, remember, the Marine Corps did an objective study. One battalion was fully integrated and one was not they studied both, and the all male infantry unit performed tasks at a higher level than the one with female Marines in combat roles. The disparity in the graded data was available...and then the SECNAV and SECDEF were like we don't care about data, let's open these roles up!
At West Point, cadets are evaluated on four pillars: physical, academic, military, character.
There is a physical fitness test unique to West Point called the IOCT: indoor obstacle course test. It's a graduation requirement. Performance on the IOCT figures into a cadet's class standing, which contributes to everything from graduation rank to what branch you get to what job you have in the Corps of Cadets to what cool summer opportunities are available to them.
The IOCT is gender normed and is scored by time. I haven't looked at the specifics in a while, but Wikipedia says a D on the male scale is literally an A+ for females. A time of 3.31 is a fail for men, but is an A- for women.
The Army's latest physical fitness test is similarly skewed in favor of females. For example, a deadlift of 210 pounds is max score for females, 100 points. IT's only worth 74 points for males. So being (or claiming to be, I guess) female gives you a built-in advantage of 26 points out of a 100 point total on that event. More than 25%.
But cadets (and Army Soldiers) aren't evaluated male/male and female/female. They're all lumped in together. So being female at West Point imparts a several-letter-grade advantage in one of the four pillars that all cadets are evaluated on, and in the Army, where we tend to reduce people to numbers when we're considering them for advancement, schooling, positions, etc., women have an enormous gender-based advantage of something like 25%.
I'm totally fine with anyone doing any Army job that they are qualified to do. Women can be highly physically fit. I think I mentioned here on the site that I once watched a female cadet knock out 100 straight pushups during a PT test demonstration we were doing for some Yale students. So stop coddling the women and disadvantaging the men. Are we "equal" in Army green, or aren't we?
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EQUALITY < LETHALITY
Let's make no mistakes - it isn't just gender.
Again, for emphasis:
EQUALITY < LETHALITY
I am 57 years old - in my current state, I am a very low threat when it comes to direct human combat.
I was sore and tired for DAYS after taking that PT test.
It hurt just to get out of bed.
I drove up profits for the company that makes Advil.
The air around me would burn out your fucking eyeballs from the cloud of BenGay...
...it probably looked like the clooud of dirt that follows Pig Pen when he he walks
If a bad guy had struck me in anger, the chances are good that I may have fell the fuck over and started crying.
...yet, according to the ACFT, I was in better shape than a 21 Year Old Infantry Person that identifies as "fememail"
How is that?
In part - its also because we lie and gender AND WE ALSO LIE ABOUT AGE.
A 21 year old male would have BARELY passed his 2 mile run and plank with my performance.
2 miles is 2 miles. distance has no respect for age or gender - it's just 2 Miles
Ready, go.
2 Miles doesn't give a shit if you are a fit 21 year old woman or a dumpy, aging, has been that is just trying to fight back against nature.
2 miles.
Ready, go.
Does anyone want to guess who else holds no respect for age or gender?
...enemy combatants.
Google and watch the video circulating of the Ukrainian Soldier with a GoPro on his helmet that comes upon a Russian Soldier that didn't want to die that day. The Ukranina throws a grenade into the room and Ivan says not today and pops out before the grenade gets him. Then you see Ivan.s blade...
...it is fucking brutal
...it is fucking nerve shattering
...it is a statement about humanity and survival of the fittest
...and more importantly, it is not about showcasing "equality"
...it is simply human life boiled down to its most primitive state -the will to survive
AND.IT.IS.REAL.
People should find it and watch it from start to finish.
With the sound turned up enough so you can REALLY hear what is going on.
Then ask yourself - does my daughter belong in that fight because some fucking ignorant and deluded politician wants to virtue signal about equality?
Does my wife belong in that fight because some fucking ignorant and deluded politician wants to virtue signal about equality?
Does my mom belong in that fight because some fucking ignorant and deluded politician wants to virtue signal about equality?
If the answer is no - well, then the discussion should continue to expand and more people should ask why we are forcing this charade.
If the answer is yes, if you think the women in your life, the women that you love, should be allowed to choose such a fate because of their desire to defend their nation with the same level of fatal risk as everyone else, then ask yourself...
...why are you so willing to allow those same ignorant and deluded politician wants to virtue signal about equality?
You KNOW that your loved ones will only truly learn that there was not an "objective standard" until she feels the fucking sting of Ivan's blade in her stomach.
Why are you willing to let the women you love find out in their dying breaths that EQUALITY < LETHALITY Would you rather just "validate her identity" or just stroke her ego by telling her that running 2 miles means different things to different ages and genders?
How is that providing honest caring leadership to our combat force?
How is that providing honest caring leadership to our sons and daughters and husbands and wives?
15 years ago - I'd have given Ivan a run for his fucking money - and I'd have taken his weapons with me when I went to link up with my team - but at 57 years old - Ivan would fuck my shit up in short order and the 537 score on my ACFT wouldn't mean dick because EQUALITY < LETHALITY
Why is it so important for activist politicians to LIE about this thing called "equality"
It isn't about gender senator - its about lethality on the battlefield.
Oh
and votes
apparently its also about votes
Let's make no mistakes - it isn't just gender.
Again, for emphasis:
EQUALITY < LETHALITY
I am 57 years old - in my current state, I am a very low threat when it comes to direct human combat.
I was sore and tired for DAYS after taking that PT test.
It hurt just to get out of bed.
I drove up profits for the company that makes Advil.
The air around me would burn out your fucking eyeballs from the cloud of BenGay...
...it probably looked like the clooud of dirt that follows Pig Pen when he he walks
If a bad guy had struck me in anger, the chances are good that I may have fell the fuck over and started crying.
...yet, according to the ACFT, I was in better shape than a 21 Year Old Infantry Person that identifies as "fememail"
How is that?
In part - its also because we lie and gender AND WE ALSO LIE ABOUT AGE.
A 21 year old male would have BARELY passed his 2 mile run and plank with my performance.
2 miles is 2 miles. distance has no respect for age or gender - it's just 2 Miles
Ready, go.
2 Miles doesn't give a shit if you are a fit 21 year old woman or a dumpy, aging, has been that is just trying to fight back against nature.
2 miles.
Ready, go.
Does anyone want to guess who else holds no respect for age or gender?
...enemy combatants.
Google and watch the video circulating of the Ukrainian Soldier with a GoPro on his helmet that comes upon a Russian Soldier that didn't want to die that day. The Ukranina throws a grenade into the room and Ivan says not today and pops out before the grenade gets him. Then you see Ivan.s blade...
...it is fucking brutal
...it is fucking nerve shattering
...it is a statement about humanity and survival of the fittest
...and more importantly, it is not about showcasing "equality"
...it is simply human life boiled down to its most primitive state -the will to survive
AND.IT.IS.REAL.
People should find it and watch it from start to finish.
With the sound turned up enough so you can REALLY hear what is going on.
Then ask yourself - does my daughter belong in that fight because some fucking ignorant and deluded politician wants to virtue signal about equality?
Does my wife belong in that fight because some fucking ignorant and deluded politician wants to virtue signal about equality?
Does my mom belong in that fight because some fucking ignorant and deluded politician wants to virtue signal about equality?
If the answer is no - well, then the discussion should continue to expand and more people should ask why we are forcing this charade.
If the answer is yes, if you think the women in your life, the women that you love, should be allowed to choose such a fate because of their desire to defend their nation with the same level of fatal risk as everyone else, then ask yourself...
...why are you so willing to allow those same ignorant and deluded politician wants to virtue signal about equality?
You KNOW that your loved ones will only truly learn that there was not an "objective standard" until she feels the fucking sting of Ivan's blade in her stomach.
Why are you willing to let the women you love find out in their dying breaths that EQUALITY < LETHALITY Would you rather just "validate her identity" or just stroke her ego by telling her that running 2 miles means different things to different ages and genders?
How is that providing honest caring leadership to our combat force?
How is that providing honest caring leadership to our sons and daughters and husbands and wives?
15 years ago - I'd have given Ivan a run for his fucking money - and I'd have taken his weapons with me when I went to link up with my team - but at 57 years old - Ivan would fuck my shit up in short order and the 537 score on my ACFT wouldn't mean dick because EQUALITY < LETHALITY
Why is it so important for activist politicians to LIE about this thing called "equality"
It isn't about gender senator - its about lethality on the battlefield.
Oh
and votes
apparently its also about votes
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Leg tuck was a bad exercise for the stated goal of "core strength". If we aren't targeting grip/upper body strength but that's the overall limiting factor (M/F both), there better exercises.
The Hanging knee raises from bar straps/a dip bar is the same movement, just isolating the core.
If we're shooting for grip/upper body strength, then the Crayola munchers got it right; pull-ups/flexed arm hangs.
The Marines also got scoring right. All people that should matter are bands, something like:
Max
1st class (above 540)
2nd class (above 480)
3rd class (passing)
An even better system that could probably work with DTMS; generate percentile by age and gender across the force. There's no reason I shouldn't be able to say "SSG stuffy has an ACFT score in the top 10% of her age range across the force."
The Hanging knee raises from bar straps/a dip bar is the same movement, just isolating the core.
If we're shooting for grip/upper body strength, then the Crayola munchers got it right; pull-ups/flexed arm hangs.
The Marines also got scoring right. All people that should matter are bands, something like:
Max
1st class (above 540)
2nd class (above 480)
3rd class (passing)
An even better system that could probably work with DTMS; generate percentile by age and gender across the force. There's no reason I shouldn't be able to say "SSG stuffy has an ACFT score in the top 10% of her age range across the force."
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...an even better method (just my opinion) would be something more like this:
1SG: Staff Sergeant Snuffy just ran two miles in 12 minutes and 30 seconds.
Activist Senator: Yes, but how old is SSG Snuffy?
1SG: Who cares - didn't you her what I said - SSG Snuffy ran two miles in 12 minutes and 30 seconds
...SSG Jones took over 18 minutes to run that same two miles
Activist Senator: Yes, but isn't SSG Jones a 42 years old female?
1SG: Fuck SSG Jones' slow ass
1SG: Staff Sergeant Snuffy just ran two miles in 12 minutes and 30 seconds.
Activist Senator: Yes, but how old is SSG Snuffy?
1SG: Who cares - didn't you her what I said - SSG Snuffy ran two miles in 12 minutes and 30 seconds
...SSG Jones took over 18 minutes to run that same two miles
Activist Senator: Yes, but isn't SSG Jones a 42 years old female?
1SG: Fuck SSG Jones' slow ass
Love this stratification angle. But then again, you're hurting the feelings of the bottom 90% here, so... wait I agree with that too.
#MakeHazingNormalAgain
Signal. Definitely.
It amazes me how often conspicuous errors make it into national-level news publications. On Fox, I notice something almost daily.
VP Harris "took" President Biden after they made him quit the election? Took him where? Took him how? "Took him" in the... intimate sense? What did she bend him over the Resolute Desk? I know people say she "screwed him," maybe that's exactly what them mean.
Or, they meant "took over for President Biden." IDK.
VP Harris "took" President Biden after they made him quit the election? Took him where? Took him how? "Took him" in the... intimate sense? What did she bend him over the Resolute Desk? I know people say she "screwed him," maybe that's exactly what them mean.
Or, they meant "took over for President Biden." IDK.
^Don't read the Post.
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she "took over" for him?
How can this be?
They have all said he is still in charge
He is still making decisions
He just made a deal to free hostages that wont be freed because he said he freed them
Why is he still signing shit to pardon criminals if SHE has taken over for him...
....blah blah blah
How can this be?
They have all said he is still in charge
He is still making decisions
He just made a deal to free hostages that wont be freed because he said he freed them
Why is he still signing shit to pardon criminals if SHE has taken over for him...
....blah blah blah
I love how they created the border crisis and are now using that self-created problem to show how difficult the administration's job was for the last 4 years.
