Your 2024 Presidential Election Thread

[Mad boomer]

On another note, here's a link for the "Gofundme" page for the victims of the rally shooting. God bless

Donate to Support For Butler PA Victims - President Trump Authorized, organized by Meredith ORourke

 

[GOTWA]

I mean…if you are at the level to be on a Presidential security detail, shoudn’t holstering your weapon be 101 training?

https://twitter.com/x/status/1812469338961576376

I'll play devil's advocate here. Under that much stress, with the adrenaline, probably for the very first time in their lives, it's difficult to work through. When was the last time someone from the USSS had to jump in and protect POTUS, or a member of the cabinet, from gunfire? Complacency also probably got the better of them because it hasn't happened in a very, very long time. And it probably wasn't the A Team that was jumping in...

I'd say a good number of people on this board have been shot at...and likely multiple times. We shouldn't judge their reaction from the hardened perspective that we gained over time.

 

[Muppet]

http://youtube.com/post/Ugkx0HF-Q4zsl4MXlxW9N5wVz-X497fhzVKK?si=3W0VmDTn43qO24Do

Accurate

 

[Marauder06]

I don't know why someone might feel compelled to take a shot at a presidential candidate...

 

[Ooh-Rah]

Gerald Posner has a WSJ article coming out tomorrow; he’s also on local talk-radio in the afternoon. Very much looking forward to both.

 

[Ooh-Rah]

ETA - I am not comparing Trump to Palpatine. Just saying the words match up to something I could see him saying.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1812445217078857975

 

[R.Caerbannog]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1812445217078857975

Dude... . He's not Sith Lord.

I've been browsing liberal sites and that's what they're reee-ing about. These people are so demoralized that they're using Star Wars metaphors, to try to piece together a muddled frame of reality. The people who put a puppet in power, are so deluded that they're advertising themselves as "The Resistance" and the dude they tried to kill as "The Emperor".

That's the level of cognitive dissonance were seeing. They're all either freaking out or in denial.

 

[Florida173]

Dude... . He's not Sith Lord.

I've been browsing liberal sites and that's what they're reee-ing about. These people are so demoralized that they're using Star Wars metaphors, to try to piece together a muddled frame of reality. The people who put a puppet in power, are so deluded that they're advertising themselves as "The Resistance" and the dude they tried to kill as "The Emperor".

That's the level of cognitive dissonance were seeing. They're all either freaking out or in denial.

More comical than a comparison to Claus von Stauffenberg...

 

[R.Caerbannog]

More comical than a comparison to Claus von Stauffenberg...

Seriously. I wonder if there are different marketing groups pushing these comparisons, trying to make them viral. All of this just reeks of slick marketing and influence ops. Given the large audience they cater to it makes sense to tailor messages to the various sub groups on the bell curve.

Add on: I used to think that their marketing efforts were comical. Only to realize how susceptible the public is to these messages, especially our young people.

 

[AWP]

All I know is somewhere on the internet 5.56 and 7.62 bros are arguing over bullet size as the result of a nicked ear.

 

[The Quartermaster]

All I know is somewhere on the internet 5.56 and 7.62 bros are arguing over bullet size as the result of a nicked ear.

Just say no to alpha romeo foxtrot charlie oscar mike's GD.

 

[BlackSmokeRisinG]

^ .300 BLK being the superior round, if the shooter was armed with that we'd be having a different conversation right now. Don't try to change my mind.

Notice how all of the sudden Dems all over are calling for unity, while some are on TV saying they are scared and it's on the GOP to unite? Remember when it was cool to run Sarah Huckabee out of a restaurant?

 

[The Quartermaster]

^ .300 BLK being the superior round, if the shooter was armed with that we'd be having a different conversation right now. Don't try to change my mind.

Notice how all of the sudden Dems all over are calling for unity, while some are on TV saying they are scared and it's on the GOP to unite? Remember when it was cool to run Sarah Huckabee out of a restaurant?

I thought that was 6.5 whizzle dizzle Jesusgrendel? Or was I thinking of 6.5 Needsmoor, oops, Godmoor?

Dems once again, projecting.

 

[Steve1839]

I'll play devil's advocate here. Under that much stress, with the adrenaline, probably for the very first time in their lives, it's difficult to work through.

The question I have is why did she pull her piece to begin with...as she moves with the former president to the vehicle, her piece is holstered....once he's inside the Suburban, she pulls her piece, only to immediately try to reholster it...what threat did she see for that microsecond? I get the fact that being shot at can be a bit discomforting for most normal folks, but she seemed way out of her element and comfort zone to me...

 

[Devildoc]

Reading this thread and similar on a couple other forums, these are my thoughts.

The SS has been asking for additional personnel for a while now, which was denied. They were operating with a skeleton crew. They were also working with a variety of other local and federal LE departments.

They train in this frequently, but never had to actually do this.

I recall what Chesty Sullenberger said about the FAA investigation into his flight after looking at all the evidence and coming up with the conclusion he could have made it back to an airport: they (FAA) removed the human factor. Sure, they were trained. But when it really happens, you don't know how many threats there are, you hear the screaming, you probably have stimulation overload, you have an adrenaline dump. These are the human factors.

Out of their comfort zone? I imagine, yes.

 

[AWP]

I recall what Chesty Sullenberger said about the FAA investigation into his flight after looking at all the evidence and coming up with the conclusion he could have made it back to an airport: they (FAA) removed the human factor. Sure, they were trained. But when it really happens, you don't know how many threats there are, you hear the screaming, you probably have stimulation overload, you have an adrenaline dump. These are the human factors.

Out of their comfort zone? I imagine, yes.

Remember too they ran the simulator 14 times I think with only one successful landing using a crew who knew the scenario and failed it several times before. When they re-run and re-run the scenario, all of the players will have time to think about what they did, so the unblinking eye of the camera could be a good thing for the agents...assuming they don't quit or are reassigned.

 

[Ooh-Rah]

I cannot stop thinking about the SS woman who could not holster her weapon and in a longer version of that same video, she (and one other) had seemingly no clue what she was supposed to be doing or where she was supposed to be. I was embarrassed for her, I’m sure the after action reviews will not be kind.

I believe…

That the average person believes the men/women of action should respond/react like we see in the movies and on TV. (In the Line of Fire comes to mind)

That the average person believes the men/women of Government should respond/react like we see in the movies and on TV. (West Wing comes to mind)

That when those human beings don’t live up to our (usually unrealistic) standards of expectation, we react with anger/disappointment and call for heads or claim it must of been an inside job.

Sometimes people just suck at their jobs, even if we don’t want them to. The “why” that they suck is a very different conversation.

 

[RackMaster]

The question I have is why did she pull her piece to begin with...as she moves with the former president to the vehicle, her piece is holstered....once he's inside the Suburban, she pulls her piece, only to immediately try to reholster it...what threat did she see for that microsecond? I get the fact that being shot at can be a bit discomforting for most normal folks, but she seemed way out of her element and comfort zone to me...

I believe she's the same agent that cowered behind Trump and the rest of her team covering him.

 

[Devildoc]

I cannot stop thinking about the SS woman who could not holster her weapon and in a longer version of that same video, she (and one other) had seemingly no clue what she was supposed to be doing or where she was supposed to be. I was embarrassed for her, I’m sure the after action reviews will not be kind.

I believe…

That the average person believes the men/women of action should respond/react like we see in the movies and on TV. (In the Line of Fire comes to mind)

That the average person believes the men/women of Government should respond/react like we see in the movies and on TV. (West Wing comes to mind)

That when those human beings don’t live up to our (usually unrealistic) standards of expectation, we react with anger/disappointment and call for heads or claim it must of been an inside job.

Sometimes people just suck at their jobs, even if we don’t want them to. The “why” that they suck is a very different conversation.

I agree with our post. This is human nature.

To the bolded/italicized, I think people need to read "On Combat" and "On Killing." There are some sus parts in each book, but his explanations to the physiological response to danger and trauma are real. Ability to do fine motor skills deteriorate, so holstering a weapon becomes more difficult. Unaware of where to be and what to do comes from task saturation and multiple stimuli.

You can practice the skill 1,000 times under created stress, but when it turns real all bets are off.

 

[BlackSmokeRisinG]

She heard shots from somewhere and pulled out her pistol and started scanning her lane. The diamond guys collapsed on the President, she looks like she was outside the diamond, maybe like the "well".

IDK, but her main fault was not re-holstering. The whole detail doesn't collapse on/crowd the principal unless their formation called for it, which I doubt.