He probably didn't get his full 6 months to ACAP
lol
excellent cross-threading and pushing my buttons.
'Zero Dark Thirty' hunts for Bin Laden -- and more
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lol
excellent cross-threading and pushing my buttons.
Well this did not last long did it...
http://sofrep.com/18453/esquire-is-screwed-duped-by-seal-ubl-shooter/
http://sofrep.com/18453/esquire-is-screwed-duped-by-seal-ubl-shooter/
As much as I like to dodge the SEAL drama train these days, there are still a couple of big stories that have left the station before Naval Special Warfare’s WARCOM could put the brakes on. First female Navy SEAL? It’s coming, and in a way you’d never expect…
One story coming out of Joint Special Operations Command is that the Esquire “shooter” isn’t the shooter after all. To be clear, he wasn’t the point man that put the well placed rounds into UBL’s head that ended the terrorist leaders life. Sure he was there, and deserves credit but he wasn’t the man who shot UBL, and ended his life. And this is an important fact that must be clarified.
The actual shooter at Naval Special Warfare Development Group (NSW DEVGRU or SEAL TEAM 6) has continued to maintain his professional integrity and has not come forward with the story, and most likely never will. Looks like Esquire and Bronstein are the ones who are really screwed, not their interviewee; our sources say he’s off cashing large checks from unsuspecting donors who bought the Esquire pity piece.
Here are some interesting insider facts:
One Anonymous JSOC SEAL we spoke with says…
- The “Shooter” was removed from his DEVGRU Squadron for talking about the operation openly after being warned to “can it’
- He was encouraged by leadership to remain in the SEAL community to finish out his career and gain his full retirement benefits
- Apparently against his concerns about personal security he has been very active on the public speaking circuit
There was a discussion among all the SEALs before the raid that none of them wanted to shoot UBL in the head in order to preserve his face for the pictures that we would need to take to help identify the body.
Ok, according to “the shooter,” he was the second man in the stack behind the point man. They had no backup, and so, because they were in a hurry, it was just him and the point man that assaulted up the stairs. I don’t know a single SEAL who would be in a rush to assault the third floor with just two men, there is no hostage so there is no need to hurry. Also, all the people waiting on the third deck had the most time to prepare a defense, so why would you only assault the third floor with just two SEALS. This makes no sense and is simply NOT what happened.
The shooter claims that the point man took a few shots as the man sticks his head out the door…. Ok we all agree on that. But here is where is story goes sideways AGAIN. The shooter claims that the point man, after taking his shots towards the adult male standing in the door, that he then turned his attention towards the women in the hallway. There were ZERO women in the hallway. Also, ZERO shooters are going to take shots at an unidentified adult male, and then simply peal off without following up to see if he hit that target, to go deal with unarmed women. After the point man engaged toward the unknown male (UBL), he DID follow his shots and entered the room. When he saw that UBL was on the floor and no longer a threat, he dropped his weapon, and then at that point dealt with the unarmed females. Even the shooter and No Easy Day say that the point man handled the women.
My point is, the point man would have NEVER dropped his cover on the adult male had he not been 200% sure he was no longer a threat. According to the shooter, the point man stayed in the hallway to deal with the women. Simply not true, because no SEAL I know would have dropped the cover on the male in the room that he had just shot at. The shooter now claims that he enters the room and looks at UBL and shoots him twice in the face as UBL was going for his gun. There was NO WEAPON found in UBLs room until about 5 min into the search, and was found above the door on a shelf. Again, this has never been disputed by anybody, so if the shooter was so sure he was going for his gun….how could he see it???
His story is complete bull shit, and he is covering his ass for the WHY he would have shot UBL at this point. IF the shooter is correct and is looking at an unarmed UBL, according to the ROE’s, he should have simply detained UBL. NOT shot him in the head.
The shooter goes on to explain that he shot him twice in the head… Why did he do this when we discussed before the OP not to shoot him in the head for identification purposes? The FACT is that the point man DID connect and hit UBL in the head. The head shot was the ONLY thing that presented a target for the point man to shoot at….so that’s what he shot at!!!! The point man, after shooting at the mans head, entered the room….saw that UBL was no longer a threat and then pushed the women back. The shooter was the 3 man into the room, and he just re-engaged into the body laying on the floor.
I’ve seen an article from Berghain (an author that actually was at the compound after the raid). He talks about blood splatter on the ceiling. While I don’t think that he is a CSI crime scene investigator, he’s made comments that he thinks the blood splatter backs up the shooter’s story. Well, the shooter is approx 6’4″ and UBL was approx the same height. That would mean the shots were level and not aimed up. The REAL shooter and point man is about 5’5,” and was shooting up the stairs toward the head exposed through the doorway. That would create the angle that is needed to splatter blood on the ceiling.
Everybody within JSOC knows the shooter is full of it. Shortly after the raid, he was FIRED from DEVGRU because of his mouth and talking too much. This is something that is not told in the article either. He’s the stereotypical guy who was running around at the bar telling all the chicks that he was the shooter. While indeed he did shoot, he shot the body as it was 99.9% dead and dying on the floor. The POINT MAN up the stairs landed his shots to the head, which is why he changed his focus to the women.
Interesting. Sorry to rain on your parade, Phil, but your guy is not the actual shooter.
So someone went past the #2 and beat him to the room or is this a typo?
Now this makes sense, looking at the first quote. Bissonette claimed to be the guy behind the point man, now the details are coming out that the Esquire "shooter" was #2? Esquire acted like their man wasn't Bissonette, but now the details of their interviewee dovetail with B's No Easy Day?
Nice little scam he's running.
I know JSOC is trying to take the high road here, but they need to come out and blast this clown officially. Destroy his integrity and image, and then move on.This is becoming such a comical drama I expect Lifetime to buy the movie rights. "The epic TRUE story of the man behind the man who isn't the man who was the behind the man who killed Usama bin Laden."
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The way I read it- Bissonette's story matches up better with the new info. If he was the #2 then the pointman went in and pushed the woman aside, and Bissonette and the "shooter" hit him
Still I would never suspect a SEAL to be a fake. Kind of ironic.
policemedic
Verified SWAT
Here's what I believe to be true, and the only thing that matters- a United States Navy SEAL killed UBL. I don't care who it was, and I don't think anyone who wasn't on the objective/in the chain-of-command has a right to know.
The fact that all of this dis/information is out is, in my opinion, a direct result of POTUS identifying DEVGRU as the unit that was involved. No information should have been released beyond the fact that UBL was killed by U.S. forces; all inquiries should have been met with a stern, "No comment."
The fact that all of this dis/information is out is, in my opinion, a direct result of POTUS identifying DEVGRU as the unit that was involved. No information should have been released beyond the fact that UBL was killed by U.S. forces; all inquiries should have been met with a stern, "No comment."
Kraut783
SOF Support
Ya, agree with ya there. Might even has just said U.S. Special Operations Forces killed UBL, and.....no comment.
I feel exhausted just trying to follow all of this. Less drama comes from Lifetime movies!
When I saw the headline, I was hoping that the guy in the article was a complete fraud, but it turns out he was still in DEVGRU, and on that mission. So, in my eyes, it is just as disappointing that a guy at that level did what he did for esquire, killer of UBL or not is besides the fact. We expect a higher level of maturity and professionalism at that level than what was displayed in the article.
The shooter is not bassonette, the shooter is the third man in the room. Matt writes how point man shoots UBL and tackles the women while bassonette and guy behind put a few chest rounds in UBL.
Scotth
Verified Military
I saw this bit in a CNN article,
That was good for a chuckle.
Naming the SMU for completing the Osama raid has nothing to do with the people talking about it in detail to the press. SMU's have been acknowledge in all kinds of mission since Desert One until today's ops and people didn't talk publicly. In the end it comes down to the people involved or "in the know" being accountable for their own actions and words.
It's the same whether it's the military or the US government in the broader sense. People talk for two general purposes. It comes down to greed or a need to be acknowledges for being special or "in the know" because they don't think they're getting that recognition or someone else is getting what they deserve.
remainder of story: http://www.cnn.com/2013/03/26/world/bergen-who-killed-bin-laden/index.html
That was good for a chuckle.
Naming the SMU for completing the Osama raid has nothing to do with the people talking about it in detail to the press. SMU's have been acknowledge in all kinds of mission since Desert One until today's ops and people didn't talk publicly. In the end it comes down to the people involved or "in the know" being accountable for their own actions and words.
It's the same whether it's the military or the US government in the broader sense. People talk for two general purposes. It comes down to greed or a need to be acknowledges for being special or "in the know" because they don't think they're getting that recognition or someone else is getting what they deserve.
I can't say for 100%, but all SMU's have had unclassed names/mission statements for quite a while.
Sadness, lulz, this has it all. Bribing the CIA for details? I'm not even surprised. I'm just butthurt I didn't do anything cool enough so I could sell out.
Zero Dark Thirty Producers Accused of Using Luxury Goods to Woo C.I.A. Spies
Zero Dark Thirty Producers Accused of Using Luxury Goods to Woo C.I.A. Spies
Brill
SOF Support
Grilled cheese & fries??? Passing SBU???
Did VF dig into Hillary's computer skills?
Did VF dig into Hillary's computer skills?
Pretty poor form.
I finally got around to watching this movie after someone gave it to me on DVD.
I was pleasantly surprised to find that I liked it.
I was pleasantly surprised to find that I liked it.
