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I’ve owned an electric car almost two months now. We have spent a total of $42 on driving it. It is significantly cheaper than gas. Granted I haven’t used a commercial charger a single time, but still, it is very economical.
 
TLDR20 said:
I’ve owned an electric car almost two months now. We have spent a total of $42 on driving it. It is significantly cheaper than gas. Granted I haven’t used a commercial charger a single time, but still, it is very economical.
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What's your daily commute like? Have you done any long trips?

I'm all for EV's in the city and commuting. A friend bought a Mach-E in the fall, it's a beautiful car and great for his 50 mile commute. He keeps it in a heated garage but he's noticed a pretty good loss in range in our cold climate. He had to do an unexpected 700 mile trip for a family emergency. He tried to plan out charging and either nothing was available or it was level 2. His 1 1/2 day trip was going to turn into 3 days.

I'm seriously interested in the new RamCharger hybrid to replace my current RAM. But I don't want to be a guinea pig on the new models.
 
RackMaster said:
What's your daily commute like? Have you done any long trips?

I'm all for EV's in the city and commuting. A friend bought a Mach-E in the fall, it's a beautiful car and great for his 50 mile commute. He keeps it in a heated garage but he's noticed a pretty good loss in range in our cold climate. He had to do an unexpected 700 mile trip for a family emergency. He tried to plan out charging and either nothing was available or it was level 2. His 1 1/2 day trip was going to turn into 3 days.

I'm seriously interested in the new RamCharger hybrid to replace my current RAM. But I don't want to be a guinea pig on the new models.
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I have yet to hear of an EV that doesn't take a hit in cold or hot conditions. The former you probably remember from your radio days, the latter occurs on my wife's car because of the cooling that has to happen for the batteries.
 
In a way the poster didn't intend, this video continues to sum up the EV "dilemma" for me:

Can you imagine stopping every 100 miles or so to charge, let alone taking nearly a week to drive from Detroit to LA (or even 3 days from Detroit to Denver)?! Granted, the guy is kind of an idiot in the way he oddly finds this all somehow acceptable, but this is a hard no for me.

If you view cars simply as a tool/utilitarian,
as many do, and live in a mostly urban area, they can make sense with some exceptions (ex. if you live in a large, cold weather city with no private/offstreet parking they aren't for you). Resale value remains dismal. They still don't make a compelling argument to me.
 
RackMaster said:
What's your daily commute like? Have you done any long trips?

I'm all for EV's in the city and commuting. A friend bought a Mach-E in the fall, it's a beautiful car and great for his 50 mile commute. He keeps it in a heated garage but he's noticed a pretty good loss in range in our cold climate. He had to do an unexpected 700 mile trip for a family emergency. He tried to plan out charging and either nothing was available or it was level 2. His 1 1/2 day trip was going to turn into 3 days.

I'm seriously interested in the new RamCharger hybrid to replace my current RAM. But I don't want to be a guinea pig on the new models.
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I have a 28 min commute each way. So not bad.

We have an MDX for any long trips, or 2 kid trips. We are gonna take the electric about 120 miles away in a couple weeks though.

I have a level one at home, which the electric company paid for. We also have them pretty accessible here in NC. I have one at work, and most public places have them available(library, museums) also places like Sheetz and Bucc E’s have them for pay as well. My car will go from 10-80% in less than a half hour, which gives me 200-230 miles.
 
Blizzard said:
In a way the poster didn't intend, this video continues to sum up the EV "dilemma" for me:

Can you imagine stopping every 100 miles or so to charge, let alone taking nearly a week to drive from Detroit to LA (or even 3 days from Detroit to Denver)?! Granted, the guy is kind of an idiot in the way he oddly finds this all somehow acceptable, but this is a hard no for me.

If you view cars simply as a tool/utilitarian,
as many do, and live in a mostly urban area, they can make sense with some exceptions (ex. if you live in a large, cold weather city with no private/offstreet parking they aren't for you). Resale value remains dismal. They still don't make a compelling argument to me.
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Buying an electric car is a stupid idea. I actually looked really really hard at the Porsche Taycan. We ended up not getting it. Leasing an electric car is the move. If you have a house with a garage, many electric companies will reimburse the cost of a charger. I pretty much never drive from Detroit to Denver, or LA, so it is pretty dang utilitarian for me. My car is also fast as fuck, pretty to look at, and has M suspension so it drives like a track car.

Most cars will go much more than a 100 miles. I know the Taycan will, mine at 100% will get 285… my MDX only gets 300. My old TDI Jetta and even the Q5TDI I had both would get 5-600 miles. Again though, I literally never need to pick up and drive more than 50-100 miles.
 
Blizzard said:
In a way the poster didn't intend, this video continues to sum up the EV "dilemma" for me:

Can you imagine stopping every 100 miles or so to charge, let alone taking nearly a week to drive from Detroit to LA (or even 3 days from Detroit to Denver)?! Granted, the guy is kind of an idiot in the way he oddly finds this all somehow acceptable, but this is a hard no for me.

If you view cars simply as a tool/utilitarian,
as many do, and live in a mostly urban area, they can make sense with some exceptions (ex. if you live in a large, cold weather city with no private/offstreet parking they aren't for you). Resale value remains dismal. They still don't make a compelling argument to me.
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Also, I am not gonna watch the video, but the new Taycan specifically has the best battery of any car. It will charge from 10-80 in 20 mins and get you well over 200 miles at 75mph. It is an engineering masterpiece.
 
AWP said:
I have yet to hear of an EV that doesn't take a hit in cold or hot conditions. The former you probably remember from your radio days, the latter occurs on my wife's car because of the cooling that has to happen for the batteries.
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There is a 10mile range reduction at 80% that I have seen when it is very cold here(20’s). That is about as cold as it is routinely.

I have a dual motor M50 BMW though. The others get better range than mine.
 
AWP said:
I have yet to hear of an EV that doesn't take a hit in cold or hot conditions. The former you probably remember from your radio days, the latter occurs on my wife's car because of the cooling that has to happen for the batteries.
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In the cold it's a similar situation in the cold, it's the complete temperature control for the batteries. It will heat the batteries to keep them from freezing, resulting in a greater loss if you leave them outside.
 
TLDR20 said:
I’ve owned an electric car almost two months now. We have spent a total of $42 on driving it. It is significantly cheaper than gas. Granted I haven’t used a commercial charger a single time, but still, it is very economical.
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We say this, yet I wonder how much taxing of the grid you guys are doing. California's brown outs are happening at a greater rate than before partially because the state has not reinvested in Nuclear as it has turned off power plants. The only efficient way in my mind to go all electric, which the thought of doesn't work for me because well I like to go into the woods and hunt. Is the need for significantly more power generation and you do that really one way.
 
After hearing everyone's stories and experiences - I must say - I'm really sold on the inconvenience that these electric cars seem to offer.
I think I'm gonna run right out and and buy none.
 
300 miles is an easy driving day for me.
60-90 min drive one way to pick shit up happens more often than I like.
Curiosity question for the EV crowd, what kind of tire wear do you get?
 
TLDR20 said:
Also, I am not gonna watch the video, but the new Taycan specifically has the best battery of any car. It will charge from 10-80 in 20 mins and get you well over 200 miles at 75mph. It is an engineering masterpiece.
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No worries. I didn't watch the whole thing either nor would I ask anyone else to do so.

Here's the summary...
Guy Flys out from LA to Detroit to buy a 2 yr old Taycan Super Turismo and drives it back 2300 miles to LA.

He uses Porsche's guidance software to plan his route and stops. This is supposedly the optimized route. As you noted, Taycan battery is supposedly a class leader.

The optimized route included some stops only 100 miles apart. Charging to 80% with fast charging took 20+ min each stop. He was on the road at least 8 hrs. per day.

I didn't watch long enough to see how long the total trip took, but I imagine a week is not too far off. When I stopped watching, it had taken him 3 days to go from Detroit to Denver...a ~1300 mile trip that should take no more than 2 days - max (19 hours by turtle)!

How this distance was stretched into 3 days was the real point. No one would take so long to complete this road trip. I bought a car in Atlanta a couple years and drove it home 1200 miles. It only took about a day and a half...and that was after side-tracking and running tail of the dragon 4 times.

Point is, if he had an optimized route and it took that long, EV is far from being a good viable option for long road trips.
 
ThunderHorse said:
We say this, yet I wonder how much taxing of the grid you guys are doing. California's brown outs are happening at a greater rate than before partially because the state has not reinvested in Nuclear as it has turned off power plants. The only efficient way in my mind to go all electric, which the thought of doesn't work for me because well I like to go into the woods and hunt. Is the need for significantly more power generation and you do that really one way.
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Oh idk. Not a lot. 132kWh total. We also have nuclear power here.

I charge at 10 amps. It isn’t crazy.
 
Blizzard said:
See, that was still too much touchscreen for me and opted for the standard 8.4in screen. This was the perfect mix of touch vs tactile controls.
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I was thinking that at first but the cab is so big. Once you use Android Auto, map on the top and audio track on the bottom. I don't know if I can go back. We're about to get the wife a new Grand Cherokee L Overland with a 10.1 inch screen. It seems big but there's still a lot of real buttons. Not sure if we'll get the passenger screen.
 

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