Case Study: Tabs and Tyrants

Not in the military, but in civilian life: we had hired a new grad RN, actually a former Marine. Our department was high strung...always very busy, high acuity, overworked, understaffed. The guy was always behind, always the problem child, just not getting it, had a bad attitude, rubbed me the wrong way. Our version of Private Pigpen. The staff rode him mercilessly, and ordinarily I let it ride (you know, let the informal leadership do their thing). But then, the NAs and ED techs got in it. Wait a minute...that's a serious breach of etiquette. They were feeding off the nurses' disdain for this guy, giving him a hard time, ordering him around. That's where I put my foot down. I pulled him into my office and had a heart-to-heart. Turns out, part of his problem, he had serious hearing deficits (he had been in artillery). I created a remedial training plan, sent him to occupational health, he got hearing aids, his performance got much, much better, and staff started warming up. Unfortunately he never 'got it', but we had him transferred to a slower unit with our endorsement.

What I learned from that: you are never on the sideline. You are either in, or out. Help these people when and if you can; if you can't, support their dignity if they need to move on.
 
It's hard for me to imagine this scenario in the Marine Corps ending with anything other than arrests and serious disciplinary action. Regardless of rank, 2nd Lt or Company First Sgt, those conducting "NCO business" would've quickly found their world crashing down around them, weeks and possibly months of legal entanglements...and quite possibly reduction in rank for the NCO "in charge" of the bath party. Pvt. Pigpen would have been checked by a Corpsman for possible injuries sustained and then escorted to the showers by the Duty Officer and supervised while performing correct sanitary procedures.

Command is not a popularity contest. Faith needed to take charge, read the riot act to the insubordinate NCO, summon MPs if necessary and not worry about whether or not his men are going to like him. Let them disrespect you with insubordination at your first encounter and they'll perceive you as a weak suck...and it will be a long time before you ever get their respect.
 
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It's hard for me to imagine this scenario in the Marine Corps ending with anything other than arrests and serious disciplinary action. Regardless of rank, 2nd Lt or Company First Sgt, those conducting "NCO business" would've quickly found their world crashing down around them, weeks and possibly months of legal entanglements...and quite possibly reduction in rank for the NCO "in charge" of the bath party. Pvt. Pigpen would have been checked by a Corpsman for possible injuries sustained and then escorted to the showers by the Duty Officer and supervised while performing correct sanitary procedures.

Command is not a popularity contest. Faith needed to take charge, read the riot act to the insubordinate NCO, summon MPs if necessary and not worry about whether or not his men are going to like him. Let them disrespect you with insubordination at your first encounter and they'll perceive you as a weak suck...and it will be a long time before you ever get their respect.

I agree with everything you wrote. Only problem is, a new 2LT can definitely dig himself into a hole going full frontal on something like this without the company and battalion leadership behind him. Especially being the brand new guy, it's a bad way to start off. The chain may back his play, but when shit gets fucked up for the BN Cdr, or Co Cdr, that shit will role down hill in more ways than one. Bad evauls, being isolated, ostrichized, shit assignments where you are set up to fail. Your career can be killed pretty quick with a vindictive chain of command and that's not all that uncommon in the Army, especially in the Infantry, especially where this type of stuff is viewed as Infantry being Infantry.

Doesn't make it right, but it's still a minefield without markers that needs to be navigated properly.
 
I agree with everything you wrote. Only problem is, a new 2LT can definitely dig himself into a hole going full frontal on something like this without the company and battalion leadership behind him. Especially being the brand new guy, it's a bad way to start off. The chain may back his play, but when shit gets fucked up for the BN Cdr, or Co Cdr, that shit will role down hill in more ways than one. Bad evauls, being isolated, ostrichized, shit assignments where you are set up to fail. Your career can be killed pretty quick with a vindictive chain of command and that's not all that uncommon in the Army, especially in the Infantry, especially where this type of stuff is viewed as Infantry being Infantry.

Doesn't make it right, but it's still a minefield without markers that needs to be navigated properly.

Rog that...I can see that happening. I think it's a bit different in the Corps, in terms of how Junior NCOs and enlisted respond to officers, even butterbars...because fear of consequences is drummed into the heads of Marines from Day One. And I believe Marine 2nd Lts come from IOC with more confidence in their authority than I see in this scenario.

And my apologies for injecting Marine opinion into an Army case study.
 
I agree with this completely. When I came out of Bootcamp I believed that Lance Corporals were"The Corps". And some might argue that they are, but I cannot imagine lipping off to someone who outranked me, much less an officer. Period.

Absolutely. When they tell you to take the hill you say aye aye sir, and you take the hill.
 
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I agree, and I think the Army as a whole could stand to learn some lessons from the discipline found in units like Ranger Regiment and the Marine corps. One of the key differences is the small size vs the large size of the Army. The Army hasn't been as selective in recruitment, discipline has fallen in the basic training and within units, due to manning problems. It really ultimately falls on the leadership, but there are a LOT of institutionalized problems in this specific subject, that are probably a bit too broad for the scope of this case study.

The same way the RFS'd Commie Ranger turned 2LT slipped through the cracks of one of our best Military institutions. Recruitment, selectivness and discipline has fallen pretty sharply in the Army. I unfortunately experienced this on a much grander scale in the National Guard, and have bared witness to how it can get soldiers killed in combat.

@Ocoka, brother your experience and knowledge is always welcome. These types of case studies always bring out the best of members opinions, and great learning tools for young leaders, for exactly the reason of varying opinions, experience and knowledge.
 
Let's not get too far ahead of ourselves here. The Marine Corps has plenty of hazing problems of its own, *especially* in Boot Camp. In the last few years, a Marine drill stuffed a recruit into a hot dryer. The same drill later hazed a different recruit so bad that he lept off a balcony, sustaining injuries that killed him. One recruit had to get skin grafts for chemical burns suffered during an incident in which he had to undergo a smoke session on a bleach-soaked floor underneath a laundry cart. Other Drills got busted for beating recruits with tent poles and forcing them to jump headfirst into trash cans. There are numerous other examples.

And this type of thing has been going on a long time in the Corps, just like it has in all of the services.

As far as the lipping off/disrespect/threatening, to reiterate: that part was a complete fabrication that I made up to make the story more interesting.
 
The non military person here...

While I loved hearing @Ocoka 's zero tolerance attitude, it was actually all the Marine Corp activities as mentioned in @Marauder06 's above examples that first brought hazing in the military to my attention. I was quite sickened in reading the articles, and through that, I read up on problems experienced in the Australian Navy many years ago. I wouldn't have thought any branch of the military would be exempt from these kinds of abuses, especially when young people are involved. I look back to my younger self and I think I would have been frightened and felt helpless in these kinds of scenario, I was pretty hopeless then. It wasn't until I got into the workforce that I developed any confidence, but if I didn't like a situation, I knew I could always find a new place - which I did with zero consequence and explain it to be a learning experience to the new place. When I read about hazing for these victims, I never get the sense that the decision to walk away is so easy or without consequence.

Anyway, I'll be quiet again. I'm supposed to pay attention to lane reservations and etc. But I will say I got the same horrible feeling reading this case study as I did when reading reports on hazing. Wonderful case study and feedback, this is currently my favorite SS thread.
 
Faith considered his options for a moment. Ordinarily, he’d tell them all to wait until he got changed into his PT clothes, and then partake in whatever smoke session was about to go down. That would serve the dual purpose of getting his PT in for the day, and ensuring whatever was about to happen didn’t get too far out of control. There was also the possibility that Sergeant Ellery wasn’t going to do anything about this situation. Heck, there was a possibility that this guy wasn’t even “Sergeant “Ellery” at all. For all Faith knew, this person was just a guy with sweaty PTs and nice teeth.

“Yep, see you at PT,” Faith said, deciding to take Ellery at face value. Ellery saluted a final time, Faith returned it and began making his way towards his truck. Private Pigpen was already gone and the other soldiers were moving to comply with Sergeant Ellery’s instructions. Faith gave what he hoped was a particularly menacing glare towards those who remained. They didn’t look particularly impressed.

Monday morning came quickly. PT started at 0600, but Faith made sure he got there early. Even though it was early, the Kentucky heat was already on the rise. At about 0545, Faith noticed a few soldiers starting to mill around in a small field off to the side of Delta Company. A few minutes later, Faith emerged from his truck, locked it, and placed the key under the floormat in the truck bed. This way he’d have nothing in his hands or in his pockets during PT. His dog tags rattled against his chest as he made his way towards the field and he shook out his hands to deal with the nervous energy he felt as he prepared for his first-ever “real” PT session.

As he approached the group, he saw no one that he recognized. At least, there was no one from Friday’s incident with Private Pigpen. But he did notice one or two of the specialists who pulled the “now you have to salute us all” prank on him. Faith smiled to himself. Dressed in gray PT clothes with no visible name and no trappings of rank, none of them seemed to recognize him. Approximately ten minutes before 0600, the troops began to straggle into lines and form something that began to look like a formation. Not seeing SFC Ellery and not knowing where else to go, Faith assumed a position centered on and about two steps behind the formation. At about five minutes out, individuals that Faith assumed were NCOs got accountability for their squads. The leader of the fourth squad, the one closest to Faith, approached him and stuck out his hand.

“Good morning sir,” he said. “Staff Sergeant Spencer David, Fourth Squad.” He exchanged salutes with Faith and then shook his hand.

“Nice to meet you, Sergeant David,” Faith replied. “How did you know I was an officer?” In their physical fitness uniforms, there was no rank differentiation.

David grinned. “What else would you be, sir?” he asked rhetorically. Faith hoped he meant that as some kind of compliment. David had a professional demeanor and an easy smile. Faith liked him immediately. Before they had a chance to talk more, Faith saw SFC Ellery approaching the front of the formation.

At his arrival, before he even said a word, conversation ceased and the lines tightened up, even though the soldiers were still at ease. At precisely 0600, a cannon boomed in the distance and a recording of Reveille began to sound.

“Fall in!” SFC Ellery commanded. Immediately, all of the men in the formation snapped to a rigid position of attention. “Present, arms!” As one, the troops saluted and held it through the duration of the song. While Reveille played, Faith wondered where the rest of the company was. While he could see Alpha, Bravo, and Charlie Companies off in the distance, this platoon seemed to be the only one from Delta Company that was doing PT. Or at least, they were the only ones doing PT in this area.

After the music faded, SFC Ellery gave the command “Order, Arms.” This was all pretty typical so far, Faith had gone through this same routine at least a hundred times during ROTC and in Infantry Officer Basic. But then SFC Ellery did something that Faith didn’t expect.

“About, face!” At this command, the entire formation turned and was now facing Faith. Technically, Faith should have turned around also since he was ostensibly part of the formation, but this move was so unexpected he remained in place. Feeling like an idiot, with everyone looking expectantly at him, he started to turn so at least he’d be facing the same way as everyone else. But just before he did, he heard Ellery begin to speak.

“5th Platoon, this is Second Lieutenant Scott Faith. He’s new to Delta Company and comes to us by way of ROTC at Middle Georgia Military College and Macon University. Let’s give him a warm Mad Dog welcome!” This exhortation was followed by a series of enthusiastic barks and howls from the assembled men. After a few seconds of this, Ellery again commanded “About, face!” to get everyone facing him again. When they, as one, complied, he gave another order: “Extend to the left… march!” and with that, Faith’s first experience in a “real” unit began.

“Did I just meet my platoon for the first time?” Faith wondered as he participated in the stretching exercises and calisthenics. If he had, it seemed kind of anti-climactic. He expected something… different. And how did SFC Ellery know where he went to school? It didn’t come up when he met him on Friday. That was weird. Whatever, it was time to put that aside and concentrate on killing it physically for the next hour and a half.

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Discussion Questions

1) Where is the rest of Delta Company?

2) Is this Faith’s platoon? No one said anything to him about it.

3) How does SFC Ellery know so much about Faith? Is that kind of creepy?

4) Should Faith pull SFC Ellery aside after PT to talk more about Friday’s incident?
 
Let's not get too far ahead of ourselves here. The Marine Corps has plenty of hazing problems of its own, *especially* in Boot Camp. In the last few years, a Marine drill stuffed a recruit into a hot dryer. The same drill later hazed a different recruit so bad that he lept off a balcony, sustaining injuries that killed him. One recruit had to get skin grafts for chemical burns suffered during an incident in which he had to undergo a smoke session on a bleach-soaked floor underneath a laundry cart. Other Drills got busted for beating recruits with tent poles and forcing them to jump headfirst into trash cans. There are numerous other examples.

And this type of thing has been going on a long time in the Corps, just like it has in all of the services.

As far as the lipping off/disrespect/threatening, to reiterate: that part was a complete fabrication that I made up to make the story more interesting.

Yes, Sir, granted...the Corps has had a history of hazing abuse. I guess I was describing the ideal response. I can still feel my blood stripes.
 
1.) Maybe the rest of Delta is out on a weekend field exercise or they're doing a ruck march and met at an alternate location.
2.) Probably his platoon. Weapons usually ends up doing their own pt half the time anyway.
3.) Faith's old friend from college probably spilled the beans. After the pigpen incident, Faith probably earned a rep due to his handling of that situation. Infantry companies tend to be sort of tribal in a way, or someone is CID
4.) Yes, a talk would definitely be useful to get the identities of the kiddos who were involved as they are not at PT.
 
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Discussion Questions

1) Where is the rest of Delta Company?

2) Is this Faith’s platoon? No one said anything to him about it.

3) How does SFC Ellery know so much about Faith? Is that kind of creepy?

4) Should Faith pull SFC Ellery aside after PT to talk more about Friday’s incident?

This goes back to why he didn't check in with his Commander before that weekend. Most Commanders and 1SGs don't just hit tail lights at close of business on Fridays, and his commander was expecting him.

3) When I got to my platoon the NCOs knew where I'd gone to school. I don't know how it was relevant, but most PSGs and Squad Leaders tend to place a higher expectation on the tactical decision making processes of a West Point/SMC graduate than they do a regular state college graduate.
 
Let's not get too far ahead of ourselves here. The Marine Corps has plenty of hazing problems of its own, *especially* in Boot Camp. In the last few years, a Marine drill stuffed a recruit into a hot dryer. The same drill later hazed a different recruit so bad that he lept off a balcony, sustaining injuries that killed him. One recruit had to get skin grafts for chemical burnssuffered during an incident in which he had to undergo a smoke session on a bleach-soaked floor underneath a laundry cart. Other Drills got busted for beating recruits with tent poles and forcing them to jump headfirst into trash cans. There are numerous other examples.

And this type of thing has been going on a long time in the Corps, just like it has in all of the services.

As far as the lipping off/disrespect/threatening, to reiterate: that part was a complete fabrication that I made up to make the story more interesting.

Truth. The Corps made hazing the en vogue thing to do, especially starting post-WWII, and no service has been immune to it. Bad apples in leadership and followership in every branch.
 
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As to number 3, if I knew we were getting a new OIC/PC/whatever, and I knew a name, I would always to a little research. Forewarned is forearmed. I usually didn't get to the cellular level like Ellery did, but I'd get enough.
 
Faith seems way out on a limb here - no wonder he is clueless. He needs to check in with his company commander ASAP. The BC might have told him he's taking that platoon but if some LT showed up to take over a platoon in a company I commanded without checking in with me first that joker would wish SFC Ellery were around the smoke him.
 
He needs to check in with his company commander ASAP.
I agree. This is making me uneasy about the whole situation, especially with what has transpired so far. Is it not SOP to check in with your unit, and especially your direct supervisor as soon as you arrive on station?
 
Discussion Questions

1) Where is the rest of Delta Company?

2) Is this Faith’s platoon? No one said anything to him about it.

3) How does SFC Ellery know so much about Faith? Is that kind of creepy?

4) Should Faith pull SFC Ellery aside after PT to talk more about Friday’s incident?

1. Good question for SFC Ellery.

2. Nope, not until the commander says it is.

3.No doubt he checked you out, any good platoon daddy would. Creepy? Not really, he is simply letting you know he did his homework on you.

4. 2LT Faith needs to pull him aside before PT, and find out where the commander is. Do PT and IMMEDIATELY process into the company. After processed in, met with commander and having his marching orders, then talk about yesterday's drama.
 
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