Covid-19

[SaintKP]

What exactly did this attending physician say to make him a Schmuckatelli in your book?

Not to speak for @ThunderHorse but I'd imagine it has to do with the absolute outrage and I'd argue pearl clutching shown in the tweet. Do I agree with POTUS being out and about while still infected? No, not really. But the absolute rage being shown all across social media is pretty ridiculous and not to mention tone deaf when just a month or two ago hundred's of thousands of people were in close proximity many without masks yet it was largely reported that the cause was worth more than any potential spread of CV19.

I just feel like the reaction is a little much considering POTUS is semi-isolating himself in a vehicle.

 

[Locksteady]

But the absolute rage being shown all across social media is pretty ridiculous and not to mention tone deaf when just a month or two ago hundred's of thousands of people were in close proximity many without masks yet it was largely reported that the cause was worth more than any potential spread of CV19.

Depending on the history of the person doing the raging, I agree that it could be tone deaf and hypocritical.

I don't think it makes either any less worthy of condemnation.

I just feel like the reaction is a little much considering POTUS is semi-isolating himself in a vehicle.

Do you think Dr. Phillip's role as a front-line health care professional who risks his life every day to save lives and prevent people from contracting COVID-19, as well as Trump's position as head of state and the direct message his actions communicate to other people (if you're infected it's ok to break isolation and share airtight cramped quarters with people who you can infect and will themselves need to quarantine) help to bring more context and understandability to the level of reaction by Phillips?

 

[AWP]

You could argue the difference between taking a bullet for the president rather than a bullet from the president, but the USSS are professionals in the business of risk prevention, avoidance, mitigation, etc.

Do I agree with Trump doing this photo op? Absolutely not. Do I think a bunch of professionals did everything in their power to mitigate the risk? Absolutely.

It shouldn't have happened IMO, but millions of Americans are making worse choices every day with fewer precautions and for less gain.

 

[Bypass]

Well..........I for one am happy to see him out and about. Gives me hope that he is going to pull through this and kick the China virus in the ass.

GOD speed Mister President.

 

[SaintKP]

Depending on the history of the person doing the raging, I agree that it could be tone deaf and hypocritical.

I don't think it makes either any less worthy of condemnation.

Do you think Dr. Phillip's role as a front-line health care professional who risks his life every day to save lives and prevent people from contracting COVID-19, as well as Trump's position as head of state and the direct message his actions communicate to other people (if you're infected it's ok to break isolation and share airtight cramped quarters with people who you can infect and will themselves need to quarantine) help to bring more context and understandability to the level of reaction by Phillips?

Dr. Phillip has an extensive history of being critical of POTUS on Twitter, not in the balanced sense but more of the "200K+ deaths are on your hands" sense.

As I said, I don't agree with POTUS going out while infected that is tone deaf as well. But I feel the reaction from both the Media and Social Media is a little much considering the little concern they had just a few months ago. Not to he was in an enclosed space surrounded by people (Secret Service) that all know the risks but still took an oath and most likely did as much risk mitigation possible. Not like he was walking around supporters or holding a press conference.

Dumb political stunt when he could have did a livestream or something? Yes. Worthy of the through the roof outrage on display right now? Nah not really imo.

 

[Ooh-Rah]

Dr Schmuckatelli, get off twitter.

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So what exactly makes this attending physician at Walter Reed a “Schmuckatelli”?

His not staying in step with whatever the internal memo said they were supposed to do/say?

 

[Locksteady]

Dr. Phillip has an extensive history of being critical of POTUS on Twitter, not in the balanced sense but more of the "200K+ deaths are on your hands" sense.

A few links exemplifying this extensive history of criticism would be helpful. I found a link of him joining other physicians back on March 3rd in correctly calling it a pandemic ahead of the WHO and urging others to dismiss social media panic and instead follow the guidance of health care professionals and the CDC as their information is updated.

I'm an emergency doctor. I expect to get coronavirus

Not to he was in an enclosed space surrounded by people (Secret Service) that all know the risks but still took an oath and most likely did as much risk mitigation possible.

If this was the case the administration wouldn't have even considered executing such an unnecessary and dangerous political stunt in the first place.

 

[Devildoc]

Dr. Phillips is not on Trump's medical team; so far as I know, he's never met Trump. He is a civilian ED doc (interesting, also a "CNN medical analyst"). As he is a civilian contractor and not a military doc, I don't give two shits what he thinks. Maybe Trump cleared it with his doc? Maybe the SS were in N95s? He doesn't know, and is likely letting his personal feelings override his professional feelings.

At any rate, it's simply one of those things where, like almost everything else, it doesn't matter what Trump does: damned if he does, damned if he doesn't.

 

[Ooh-Rah]

it doesn't matter what Trump does: damned if he does, damned if he doesn't

Trump has no one to blame for that perception other than himself.

He can blame MSM all he wants, but they don’t really have to work that hard to make him look out-of-touch.

 

[Cookie_]

^^^ agreed.

The guy who openly flaunted health and wellness guidelines is still flaunting them, and has no one to blame but himself.

He wants to show he's "strong and determined", but apparently the video message he shot/the photos of him still working at Walter Reed weren't enough.

 

[Devildoc]

Trump has no one to blame for that perception other than himself.

He can blame MSM all he wants, but they don’t really have to work that hard to make him look out-of-touch.

I don't know that I entirely buy that. But that's a dead horse that we've beaten here ad nauseum.

If he cured cancer the MSM would bitch that he caused unemployment for doctors. It's just the way that it is. So when a doc goes off about irresponsibility, when there is no evidence that he has any insight into the actual situation, why should anyone take it with any weight?

Edited to add, I have no opinion about his actual Tour de Walter Reed.

 

[Florida173]

The POTUS medical team in the press conference said they'd be discharging him because he was doing well. What is the issue here?

 

[Locksteady]

Keeping the replies here until asked otherwise by moderating staff.

This is now about politics so I'm moving my response here. But I'd engage both of you to take a look at his twitter feed. It's what I would call a "mess".

Could you provide any other examples of the mess? You've only shown the one we've already seen and then another much tamer one from the same news cycle mentioning that he'll give his own assessment of the medical team release (which news media contributors regularly do across all stations).

Many workplaces have a code of conduct. The fact that he is grandstanding on social isn't because he's got any sense of altruism it is because he wants to expand his platform and make money.

Non-altruistic motives wouldn't nullify the points being raised in this discussion.

Being an "attending physician" at Walter Reed is cool and stuff, but he's using his position as a random civilian doctor with a job at Walter Reed to enable himself to grow his platform. He isn't giving us data he's giving us opinion.

He is not a Schmuckatelli for airing his medically-based public health concerns about the President's behavior. His professional medical opinion is based on literal CDC and globally-corroborated medical guidelines for managing COVID-19-infected patients.

No one gets a pass on this for political convenience (including protestors) - most especially a head of state who should be setting the example for his nation by demonstrating strict adherence to the protocol rather than broadcasting reckless endangerment borne out of political self-interest.

He's also attacking the president for putting on a "show", which is kind of what the man does, however we also have enemies out there and the "show" is probably also for them. In addition, tweets like this are bloody irresponsible and I hope he gets canned.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1312869454385229827

The only thing 'bloody' irresponsible about this event is putting several members of your own protective unit, their families, and anyone with whom they all come in contact in further jeopardy to perform a reckless political stunt that could have been achieved without imposing -any- of these additional risks to the public from the comfort of your own multi-room hospital-provided presidential suite.

 

[RackMaster]

^^^ agreed.

The guy who openly flaunted health and wellness guidelines is still flaunting them, and has no one to blame but himself.

He wants to show he's "strong and determined", but apparently the video message he shot/the photos of him still working at Walter Reed weren't enough.

He was criticized for the photo ops inside Walter Reed, as well. He could have been on a ventilator and they'd criticize him for not working.

Trump mocked for signing apparently blank paper in ‘staged’ photos at Walter Reed

 

[DA SWO]

If idiots were responsible with their trash there wouldn't be that state-sized ball of shit swirling about in the Pacific.

Lol. Tell it to China and the rest of the third world and even if you did they wouldn't give two shits.

Yep.

POTUS doesn't seem to be adjusting his safety posture to reflect his diagnosis or the heightened risk to others around him :

Walter Reed attending physician swipes at Trump for motorcade visit to supporters

https://twitter.com/x/status/1312867868028141568

There is a difference between being infected and being contagious.
But OMG! He has da 'rona!

 

[ThunderHorse]

Keeping the replies here until asked otherwise by moderating staff.

Could you provide any other examples of the mess? You've only shown the one we've already seen and then another much tamer one from the same news cycle mentioning that he'll give his own assessment of the medical team release (which news media contributors regularly do across all stations).

Non-altruistic motives wouldn't nullify the points being raised in this discussion.

He is not a Schmuckatelli for airing his medically-based public health concerns about the President's behavior. His professional medical opinion is based on literal CDC and globally-corroborated medical guidelines for managing COVID-19-infected patients.

No one gets a pass on this for political convenience (including protestors) - most especially a head of state who should be setting the example for his nation by demonstrating strict adherence to the protocol rather than broadcasting reckless endangerment borne out of political self-interest.

The only thing 'bloody' irresponsible about this event is putting several members of your own protective unit, their families, and anyone with whom they all come in contact in further jeopardy to perform a reckless political stunt that could have been achieved without imposing -any- of these additional risks to the public from the comfort of your own multi-room hospital-provided presidential suite.

No, he's being another asshole in a world full of assholes.

 

[Devildoc]

The only thing 'bloody' irresponsible about this event is putting several members of your own protective unit, their families, and anyone with whom they all come in contact in further jeopardy to perform a reckless political stunt that could have been achieved without imposing -any- of these additional risks to the public from the comfort of your own multi-room hospital-provided presidential suite.

And you know this....how? because you are a medical provider? You are on the down-low of his medical team's advice? This is an assumption made based on your politics and worldview.

This is why I did not comment much on whether he should have/should not have. We do not know what his docs said. If masks work, especially N95s (which pics show the USSS personnel were wearing), then there should not have been a problem, right? We do not know the extent of what went on behind the scenes.

Without more information this is not any different than any other topic people use with which to clutch pearls (specific to the good Doc Phillips, not addressing to you).

 

[Cookie_]

He was criticized for the photo ops inside Walter Reed, as well. He could have been on a ventilator and they'd criticize him for not working.

Trump mocked for signing apparently blank paper in ‘staged’ photos at Walter Reed

I've give exactly zero shits about people acting surprised those photos were "staged". Basically any photo that comes from the White House is going to be staged in some way.

I will say though, at least give the man something more than a blank piece of paper to look busy.

 

[Locksteady]

I've give exactly zero shits about people acting surprised those photos were "staged". Basically any photo that comes from the White House is going to be staged in some way.

I will say though, at least give the man something more than a blank piece of paper to look busy.

Agreed, with the caveat that a blank sheet is the most OPSEC-proof paper means for demonstrating that - though perhaps not the most convincing.

Shoots of him doing routine physical activity in his suite, moving about, etc. wouldn't be bad either, to show his purported good condition if that was his intent.

 

[ThunderHorse]

Not a bad chart:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1313144904915197952