Covid-19

[Blizzard]

Regarding the American, I think punishment is deserved. I think what I would do is fine the shit out of her, give her a massive sentence to get headlines around the world (to show there are consequences, and that we’re not playing), and then the day after Christmas release her on “compassionate grounds” or on appeal or some such. I don’t think anyone’s interest are served by lengthy sentences over something like this.

So ultimately it’s token jail time (but you spend Christmas in the slammer). But that big ass fine? Yeah we’re keeping that. Being stupid SHOULD hurt.

I don't know. I disagree on the punishment.

We're all probably in agreement she's entitled and broke the rules. But, in my view, so much of this response is overblown and the heavy handedness is governments is problematic.

Keep in mind, this is a virus with a 99% survival rate - even higher the younger you are. It's hardly this death sentence that many drama queens make it out to be. So, months in prison and/or massive fines really does seem out of line. Sure, there must be consequences to decisions, but they also must be reasonable.

 

[Blizzard]

I had a similar thought. They seems like a LONG time to be on a jet ski. Do those things have massive fuel economy or something?

Well, especially if he thought it was only going to be a 40min hop. So, it sounds like he wasn't all that prepared. To me, this is the real story!

Edit: Also interesting that jet skis were central topics in both stories.

 

[Blizzard]

In terms of reach, the takeaway from this story is that the virus won't be controlled by lockdowns, etc.:
With first positive tests in Antarctica, no continent is untouched by the virus.

So, the next question is, and it brings us full circle again, when will the world recognize and hold China accountable for the massive devastation it's caused?

 

[SpitfireV]

I don't follow the logic in your first paragraph mate.

 

[digrar]

I wouldn't say she's an entitled "American". She may be an "entitled" person. But being American has little to do with that, and I'll stick by that.

Outside looking in, the perception, the stereotype of an an entitled person is American, millennial, female. The reality, chances are they're Chinese, but out in the world, the comments are, what are those Americans doing now?

4 1/2 hours on a jet ski? Did he have an auxiliary gas tank? That's a long time to spend on a jet ski...she must be amazing.

Not unusual to see them fitted with racks with spare fuel jerries and or auxiliary tanks.

In terms of reach, the takeaway from this story is that the virus won't be controlled by lockdowns, etc.:
With first positive tests in Antarctica, no continent is untouched by the virus.

So, the next question is, and it brings us full circle again, when will the world recognize and hold China accountable for the massive devastation it's caused?

Lock downs are an after the fact control measure, and with broad community buy in and discipline, they work, Melbourne just demonstrated that. Is the squeeze worth the juice? Opinions vary. My take away is that Chile have shit protocols for getting people to site.

 

[Blizzard]

Lock downs are an after the fact control measure, and with broad community buy in and discipline, they work, Melbourne just demonstrated that. Is the squeeze worth the juice? Opinions vary. My take away is that Chile have shit protocols for getting people to site.

They don't work (it's been discussed several times throughout this thread as to why) and the article I posted and even New Zealand serve as proof. How many times has New Zealand declared they've stomped out the virus now? Twice? Only to have it return. This despite having the advantage of a relatively small, isolated population (similar in size to OR or KY). The virus doesn't magically disappear. Logistically, you cannot lockdown a modern society because there's always need for healthcare, first responders, etc. So, that's not feasible. In this case, even a small set of researchers proved vulnerable.

But you do ask the important question - is the juice worth the squeeze? We have a pretty obvious answer here as well. When considering the secondary and tertiary order impacts of a virus with 99% survival rate, the answer is clearly "no". Look at the economics and the key impacted demographics.

This was posted earlier but I'll repost again. The first few minutes of the clip explains why lockdowns don't work (note: the video is from April and what he explains has generally proven out:
Dr. David Katz | Real Time with Bill Maher (HBO) - YouTube

 

[SpitfireV]

Eh you've massively misunderstood our context here mate. It was one nationwide lockdown and then a limited regional one and guess what? They both worked and the one outbreak was constrained quickly. And the GDP is up too despite it all.

Was it the best approach? I don't know. It's worked so far. Will it work again? Maybe maybe not.

 

[Ooh-Rah]

“Fair” is where you buy a pig in August. I feel this woman’s frustration, the government double standard is everywhere.

The video in the story is worth a watch too....

Restaurants' anger over outdoor dining bans reaches a boiling point

 

[Locksteady]

“Fair” is where you buy a pig in August. I feel this woman’s frustration, the government double standard is everywhere.

The video in the story is worth a watch too....

Restaurants' anger over outdoor dining bans reaches a boiling point

I think @Blizzard posted a clip of the video in your link sometime earlier in this thread.

While the basis of the 'double standard' in terms of film crews vs. restaurants is that the former are held to much stricter industry-wide requirements than the latter, I think restaurants and other businesses should have the opportunity to do the same if they're willing and can demonstrate they're enforcing an equivalent protocol for their specific business.

However I think the service industry in general would still have more challenges to executing that successfully, even if it followed film & tv's example by having industry unions work together, just due to the much more public-facing nature of its daily revenue stream.

 

[ThunderHorse]

I think @Blizzard posted a clip of the video in your link sometime earlier in this thread.

While the basis of the 'double standard' in terms of film crews vs. restaurants is that the former are held to much stricter industry-wide requirements than the latter, I think restaurants and other businesses should have the opportunity to do the same if they're willing and can demonstrate they're enforcing an equivalent protocol for their specific business.

However I think the service industry in general would still have more challenges to executing that successfully, even if it followed film & tv's example by having industry unions work together, just due to the much more public-facing nature of its daily revenue stream.

It wasn't a film crew. It was an outdoor "movie event" where people bought tickets. In another time the mayor of LA would have been yanked from his office by the people and tarred and feathered.

 

[Marauder06]

$600

 

[Blizzard]

Eh you've massively misunderstood our context here mate. It was one nationwide lockdown and then a limited regional one and guess what? They both worked and the one outbreak was constrained quickly. And the GDP is up too despite it all.

Was it the best approach? I don't know. It's worked so far. Will it work again? Maybe maybe not.

Perhaps. You're livin' it, brother, so I'm not going to pretend to know what's taking place there better than you. This article from Oct. summarizes much of my understanding as well (see, I read up about you guys...and you think we don't care. ) as the fact there are still new cases being reported. Again, NZ is very small and so are their numbers, so that needs to be kept in perspective.

New Zealand Stamps Out the Coronavirus. For a Second Time. - The New York Times (nytimes.com)

 

[SpitfireV]

The new numbers being reported are in the isolation facilities where returning Kiwis (mostly) are placed for quarantine. They're not in the community.

 

[Locksteady]

It wasn't a film crew.

Celebrities offer support after owner posts video of film set next to her closed restaurant

A restaurant in Los Angeles has received a ton of public support after its owner posted a video revealing that a film crew dining area was set up right next door to the outdoor seating area of her business

In the video shared on Friday, Angela Marsden, the owner of Pineapple Hill Saloon and Grill located in Sherman Oaks, points out a large designated eating area for a film crew just a few feet away from where she set up her restaurant's outdoor dining space.

The outdoor dining area next to Pineapple Hill Saloon and Grill was set up by a catering company hired to service the film crew of the NBC sitcom Good Girls, according to the New York Times. The catering site and film location were both given permission to operate under a permit issued by the city.

'A slap in my face': LA restaurant owner's video showing a film shoot's catering tent set up next to her closed eatery explodes on social media

Angela Marsden made a video over the weekend showing a film crew set up next to her closed restaurant in Los Angeles.

A video from a restaurant owner in Los Angeles who was forced to end outdoor dining while a film crew set up catering next door was shared widely online, illustrating why many are taking issue with the city's strict pandemic measures.

She Couldn’t Open for Outdoor Dining. The Film Crew Next Door Could.

The controversy came to a head on Saturday when a restaurant owner shared a video on social media showing tents, tables and chairs set up as a catering station for a film crew — just feet away from her eatery’s similar outdoor dining space, which has sat empty since the restriction went into effect late last month.

“Tell me that this is dangerous, but right next to me — as a slap in my face — that’s safe?” Angela Marsden, who owns the restaurant, Pineapple Hill Saloon & Grill, said as the video panned from her outdoor dining space to the film crew’s catering site.

The catering site was for a crew filming “Good Girls,” a comedy television show that airs on NBC, according to Philip Sokoloski, a spokesman for FilmLA, which helps Los Angeles manage film permits.

The county health department noted in a statement that film crews are regularly tested for the virus and that, unlike at restaurants, people do not mingle for “extended periods of time without their face covering.” Audiences are not allowed at film sites under the county’s guidelines.

 

[ThunderHorse]

Celebrities offer support after owner posts video of film set next to her closed restaurant

That's helpful, was struggling finding more stuff. However, it's still bullshit. You stop someone from making money, you better compensate them for it.

And that "film crew dining area" was massive. How big was the crew? An army battalion?

 

[Locksteady]

That's helpful, was struggling finding more stuff. However, it's still bullshit. You stop someone from making money, you better compensate them for it.

I understand why and think similar opportunities should exist for the service industry, but I also get your general sentiment.

And that "film crew dining area" was massive. How big was the crew? An army battalion?

Well, it's hard to blame a whole battalion of people for joining the crew when this is your show's headliner:

No

covid thread...not this.

 

[Ooh-Rah]

- Update -

Georgia college student who broke Cayman Islands' quarantine receives reduced sentence

Glad she learned her lesson.

 

[Gunz]

$600

Yeah, that's Taurus money. I'll wait for my Trump-Pelosi 2-grand.

 

[Brill]

This Jarhead is correct, IMO. Faucci seems to enjoy the attention.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1341861523111768071

 

[GOTWA]

Yeah, that's Taurus money. I'll wait for my Trump-Pelosi 2-grand.

Still not Noveske money.