Covid-19

Asymptomatic transmission is bullshit.
That is not at all what the researchers concluded.

British Medical Journal
The researchers said that their findings did not show that the virus couldn’t be passed on by asymptomatic carriers, and they didn’t suggest that their findings were generalisable.

Science Daily
But the research team warn that their findings do not show that the virus can't be passed on by asymptomatic carriers.

Rather, strict non-pharmaceutical interventions such as mask-wearing, hand washing, social distancing and lockdown have helped reduce the virulence of Covid-19.

On top of that, the actual study itself even referenced other studies that the authors say showed that asymptomatic carriers of COVID-19 were infectious.

It should also be noted that the link you led with came from a site calling itself “the #1 pro-life news website” and which has a record of posting misleading stories about COVID-19 studies. Their apparent lean towards discounting the severity of COVID-19 may help explain why the same author used language (the study “debunked the concept of asymptomatic transmission”) that completely mischaracterized the research findings in this study, too.
 
That is not at all what the researchers concluded.

British Medical Journal


Science Daily


On top of that, the actual study itself even referenced other studies that the authors say showed that asymptomatic carriers of COVID-19 were infectious.

It should also be noted that the link you led with came from a site calling itself “the #1 pro-life news website” and which has a record of posting misleading stories about COVID-19 studies. Their apparent lean towards discounting the severity of COVID-19 may help explain why the same author used language (the study “debunked the concept of asymptomatic transmission”) that completely mischaracterized the research findings in this study, too.
I didn’t say that’s what the links or studies concluded. I said asymptomatic spread is bullshit.

How many times in a row is this where you hop up out the woodwork on some ‘ackshually’ type nonsense with what I post, only to be pretty clearly not understanding square one? Like, 4? At least this time it wasn’t trying to play gotcha games on the date of a satirical video. 🙄

This is gonna sound crazy... but maybe you should start reading things that are posted and not just responding from your plainly indoctrinated position off of keywords alone?
 
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Our people have kind of figured that, but to my knowledge we haven't done any research on it, right now it's still such low priority. But we have been thinking that asymptomatic transmission was crap even if we did not have the literature to support.

Also, regarding fatalities, the other thing we need to be concerned of is long-term sequelae with regards to challenging disease processes, for instance we are seeing more children come in with COVID-related inflammatory syndromes, it's not killing them, but it's putting them in intensive care and on echo. Who knows how these people are going to turn out?
 
The worst part for me are these people I know that are in Pharmacy School, not even med school, but I know a few of those. Like, dude/chica. I don't follow you for you to pound me with first year pharm school I'm an expert on this virus bullshit. You're not even close to one.

The fallacy of expertise. I've literally watched Public Health Care experts and workers lie to the American people and tell the dude who just lost his job what they should be doing 🙄. Without inputting his liabilities and stressor into the equation. Like fuck the hell off, you're employed and he's not.

These dickheads are completely operating in a vacuum and are not remotely paying attention to the mental health crisis and drug OD crisis that has surged during this.
 
I didn’t say that’s what the links or studies concluded. I said asymptomatic spread is bullshit.
You also said, “I am aware that the first article is from Wuhan, I get it. Let's use it as a jumping off point.”

That is what my post did in relation to your claim.
How many times in a row is this where you hop up out the woodwork on some ‘ackshually’ type nonsense with what I post, only to be pretty clearly not understanding square one?
This wasn’t a misunderstanding about what you claimed.

This was pointing out that the article you wanted to use as a jumping off point for discussion cited a study that didn’t support it (your claim).

Did you have another reason for providing that link, or did you not intend for it to lend weight to what you said?
Like, 4? At least this time it wasn’t trying to play gotcha games on the date of a satirical video. 🙄
1. If you’re referring to the WSJ op-ed, dates were never a part of our disagreement, and it wasn’t a video. I think you genuinely might be mixing up some posts here.

2. It wasn’t a ‘gotcha’ game. I didn’t even initiate that interaction or its escalation. To use some of your wording, you hopped out of the woodwork yourself by blowing up unprompted at my response to lindy’s sidebar about Dr. Biden not having a Ph.D. with the kind of unprovoked and heavy dose of the sarcasm that you and other board administrators and moderators continually remind us to avoid in our discussions with each other. This continued despite my refusal to match your tone in my responses to you.

3. The fact that Epstein had a little fun with Dr. Biden in the beginning (using her husband's own term of endearment for her) in a way that successfully enticed interest in the article (as good op-ed writers do) didn’t turn his op-ed or the views in it into a satire. He spent multiple paragraphs spelling out why he felt non-medical doctorate degree-holders of all stripes no longer deserved the honorific. If taking the article’s arguments at face value instead of assuming satire where none was evident equated to “not knowing a joke when you see one”, then perhaps the op-ed editor of the WSJ itself should be made aware that he, too, missed the joke by also treating Epstein’s statements as a sincere rebuke of Dr. Biden’s choice in his defense of the op-ed article.

Back from the derail to the study from the article that prompted this discussion:

One of the more interesting (and concerning, in terms of indications of virulence in asymptomatic carriers) points made by one of the researchers was that 2/3 of the asymptomatic people they tested had COVID-19 at least once before. The thinking is that body’s immune levels from the previous infection could’ve contributed to the much lower viral load during the second infection, which in turn may have lowered the virus’ transmissibility even more as compared to first-time virus contractors.

Wuhan mass screening identifies hundreds of asymptomatic cases
 
Let's just say that whoever is making the rules in one place doesn't agree with whoever is making the rules in another place.

LAX: All Dyson hand dryers were turned off, because they help spread the Rona.

Orange County in several businesses. All hand dryers were turned on and no paper towels to be seen.

Denver International: All hand dryers were on.

Denver Businesses: All hand dryers have been on.
 
So the Public Health turds in Los Angeles are saying that lockdowns look to be indefinite as ICU bed capacity is still at "100%." We also know that because of COVID-19, your normal ICU bed capacity is less due to the whole social distancing thing.

Los Angeles Faces Indefinite Lockdown as COVID-19 Continues to Overwhelm Hospitals

Things I know about what's going on in LA and LA County. All surge capacity was collapsed and offline. USNS Mercy has been back in San Diego for months. No one from the Los Angeles or Los Angeles County Government or the state of California has requested Federal assets since they had sent them back.

So Los Angeles and Los Angeles County officials will continue to destroy the county and the city while doing nothing to combat the actual problem when it comes to treatment of people. Because the optics of requesting help from a Republican executive is just too much. Nevermind that all of these queefs willfully violate the Public Health Orders they force on private citizens.


I'll be honest, I haven't seen anything on written on this video in LA. But there's zero reason for Health Inspectors to be scheduling kitchen inspections if the restaurants are shut down.

IF YOU MAKE IT SO SOMEONE CANNOT EARN A LIVING, YOU HAVE TO COMPENSATE THEM FOR IT. Not hard.
 
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Because we gotta beat a dudes ass if he doesn't wear a mask...

Mask protest melee at North Star Mall yields one arrest

Why do people think they can just do whatever they want to on private property. It's private property open to the public. If you are asked to leave, and you refuse...criminal trespass arrest, we do it all the time. Create a disturbance at a burger king, asked to leave, you refuse...jail you go.

They should have gone to a public area and demonstrated if they wanted to...
 
Why do people think they can just do whatever they want to on private property. It's private property open to the public. If you are asked to leave, and you refuse...criminal trespass arrest, we do it all the time. Create a disturbance at a burger king, asked to leave, you refuse...jail you go.

They should have gone to a public area and demonstrated if they wanted to...

I'll disagree. Just because a dude didn't wear a mask is no reason to beat his ass. With a good lawyer, he'll likely have that Security companies ass. And you know what, there's plenty of good but vulturous attorneys always looking to make 33% on contingency.

What I have seen during this entire thing is cops or security personnel go beyond their remit. This is intolerable.
 
Research is still ongoing into how strong that protection is and how long it lasts.
There are over 19.5 million (~ 10% of population) Americans that have tested positive and an untold number who had it before testing was widespread.

ref: Tracking Covid-19 cases in the US

In the US alone, how many cases of confirmed or suspected COVID cases have been reinfected? I don’t know but I’m 100% confident that IF reinfection was remotely possible, these assholes here would be scaring the shit out of Americans in the name of safety.

I don’t believe them anymore.
 
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I don’t believe them anymore.
I've been at that point for quite a while now. I knew that when I saw such a great divide against medical personnel for and against the stats from the beginning...that I would personally fall somewhere in between them in reference to what I felt about COVID. I now lean almost completely toward the against side (stat wise) than ever. I truthfully can't believe them at this point due to the mumbo jumbo that has been shown.
 
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