You're being a silly lil goose! This is silly goose behavior.
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pardus
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The public mandate for masks was probably the most ridiculous, obtuse and fucked policy I’ve ever had the misfortune to experience, whenever I see someone with a mask I instantly despise them.
Speed holes are a thing!
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One self identification. Next!How dare you besmirch Affliction! My Affliction shirt and Ed Hardy jeans clearly identified me as the coolest private on every BOSS trip circa 2010
In my defense, I had a squad leader convince 18/19 year old me that it would "make me more attractive to girls in the barracks."
I clearly wasn't the sharpest knife in the drawer.
ThunderHorse
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The Cain Alvarez shirts were pretty dope though.How dare you besmirch Affliction! My Affliction shirt and Ed Hardy jeans clearly identified me as the coolest private on every BOSS trip circa 2010
Seems like the COVID policy may become no more. Still needs to be voted on/passed first.
Seems like anyone currently being outprocessed would be saved, but anyone already kicked out would be SOL.
Defense bill rolls back Pentagon’s Covid vaccine mandate
Seems like anyone currently being outprocessed would be saved, but anyone already kicked out would be SOL.
Defense bill rolls back Pentagon’s Covid vaccine mandate
ThunderHorse
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When this gets lifted, they should make it right by all of the folks who got disciplined and/or forced out. Like they did with the repeal of DADT.
There are a metric shit ton of books, white papers, and degrees to be earned studying the second and third order effects of COVID and the bullshit from 2020. Give it about 10-15 years for the stats to mature (like cancer diagnoses that were missed) and it will knock your socks off.
We have a vaccine that we know doesn't work, and that many suspect causes unintended short term and long term harm.
We are running a huge budget deficit, and mass vaccinations are expensive.
We are facing a recruiting / retention crisis in our armed forces.
Our armed forces are probably the most-fit, least-at-risk-of-COVID group in the federal government.
I suspect that if we gave them the option, most folks in the military would now decline to receive the COVID vax, for many of the reasons listed above.
^those are just some of the reasons why repealing the military's COVID vax mandate is the right call.
We are running a huge budget deficit, and mass vaccinations are expensive.
We are facing a recruiting / retention crisis in our armed forces.
Our armed forces are probably the most-fit, least-at-risk-of-COVID group in the federal government.
I suspect that if we gave them the option, most folks in the military would now decline to receive the COVID vax, for many of the reasons listed above.
^those are just some of the reasons why repealing the military's COVID vax mandate is the right call.
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The logic between the two wouldn't be consistent since the science behind the effectiveness of vaccines against severe hospitalization and death from COVID-19 (and thus maximal troop readiness) hasn't been disproven, but I doubt that fact will play any hand in what dissenting Congressmembers will continue to push.
They are completely consistent: bad policy made for political gain, that had a negative impact on the force and individual troops.
On a side note, it's super-hard to prove a negative. "Prove that the vax you got, which was supposed to keep you from getting COVID but didn't, didn't keep you from getting even sicker."
The vax was supposed to keep us from getting COVID. It didn't. It was supposed to keep us from being able to spread it to others. It didn't. COVID policy is having a definitiive negative impact on recruiting, retention, and morale. THAT can be proven.
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This is an important point that doesn't negate why the logic for arguing repeal was inconsistent, much less make the comparison completely consistent.
I'm happy to satisfy this valid nitpick with a more positive preface: the logical inconsistency lies in the fact that the vaccine was proven to be effective against severe hospitalization or death from COVID-19 (and thus maximal troop readiness), and this fact this has not been disproven.
Again, none of this will change what dissenting lawmakers will support if reparations considerations get onto the ballot, and I don't think your DADT analogy even needs to be used or justified to sway people who otherwise wouldn't support reparations.
OK then. Explain to me what was inconsistent in the repeal arguments, because I'm not following.
If you're acknowledging its validity, then it is hardly a "nitpick." To which studies are you referring? Are these the same ones that told us we wouldn't get COVID if we got vaccinated, and that we couldn't spread it to others?
I'm sorry, what? What reparations are you talking about--slavery reparations? Or "reparations" for being forced out of the military over bad COVID vax policy?
To be clear: I think that making it right for the people negatively affected by DADT was the right thing to do. DADT was a stupid policy from the beginning, and it took far too long to die. Just like... the COVID vax.
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In short, one of those doesn't have a scientifically-established medical risk factor attached to it to justify command's decisions.
Not in a negative way (people like to use it that way to criticize), but more to emphasize the weight it had in changing the core argument.
Not at all, and to my knowledge those claims were misinformation spread by a LOT of people, including our very own sitting president.
Those claims have never been scientifically proven, and I don't recall any established scientific communities claiming vaccines would prevent transmission rather than reduce the severity and fatality rate of the virus.
I only meant #2 from your original post about hoping they'd 'make it right'. I didn't assume you were requesting the magnitude of reparations associated by group 1.
Yeah I figured so because it would be a very wacky comparison to make otherwise! I thought it was important to 'nitpick' a key distinction that you'd get more pushback on, at least outside of this community.
@Locksteady , you are a silly goose. I can tell, by you exhibiting this silly goose behavior.
The CDC literally said, "Get the vaccine and you won't spread it to others", and the entire scientific community followed right along. Then the DoD followed. The misinformation was spread by the "established scientifiic communities", and then anyone that said "vaccines don't prevent transmission" was banned.
Either you're being obtuse, or a silly lil goose. I think the latter.
The CDC literally said, "Get the vaccine and you won't spread it to others", and the entire scientific community followed right along. Then the DoD followed. The misinformation was spread by the "established scientifiic communities", and then anyone that said "vaccines don't prevent transmission" was banned.
Either you're being obtuse, or a silly lil goose. I think the latter.
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Neither, I think, but I have to rescind part of what I said, because I did a search and realized the CDC itself did claim in 2021 that preliminary evidence suggested the vaccine could possibly prevent transmission, and then redacted their suggestion as more evidence came in that did not support their claim. In fact, other scientists were more wary about producing a news report based on that emerging evidence just to be safe, and their caution aged better than the CDC's.
As to @Marauder06's question, I'm referring to the international medical community's consensus about vaccines' effectiveness in reducing severe hospitalizations and fatalities from COVID-19, based on months of peer-reviewed research. That changes none of the points you make about a federal medical organization's willingness to push out misleading early suggestions to encourage more people to follow their suggestions.
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I’ll say it again, the scientific community knew the vaccine wasn’t going to stop everyone getting Covid, and the scientific community knew the vaccine wasn’t a magic bullet to stop the transmission of Covid.
That is all well documented, I’ve personally posted links on this thread showing this.
Yes there were a LOT of lies spread from politicians and their lackies regarding what the vaccine would do, if you believed the media and politicians then I’m sorry, you were lied to, but spreading word about the vaccine “not working” is misleading, it’s fake news.
The reason why we locked down and to a lesser degree developed the vaccine was to not overwhelm the hospital system. The covid vaccine should be thought of like the flu vaccine, it will help you to not get sick from Covid, and if you do get sick, it will be less severe than if you’re unvaccinated, and if you’re not as sick your chances of transmitting the virus are less. There’s no magic wand, stop listening to the talking heads on TV and do some research (from valid sources) on your own.
MEDCRAM posted excellent videos on the pandemic since the first month of the pandemic which helped me immensely while I was working in an ER through the worst of it all and then running a Covid isolation facility for the military.
That is all well documented, I’ve personally posted links on this thread showing this.
Yes there were a LOT of lies spread from politicians and their lackies regarding what the vaccine would do, if you believed the media and politicians then I’m sorry, you were lied to, but spreading word about the vaccine “not working” is misleading, it’s fake news.
The reason why we locked down and to a lesser degree developed the vaccine was to not overwhelm the hospital system. The covid vaccine should be thought of like the flu vaccine, it will help you to not get sick from Covid, and if you do get sick, it will be less severe than if you’re unvaccinated, and if you’re not as sick your chances of transmitting the virus are less. There’s no magic wand, stop listening to the talking heads on TV and do some research (from valid sources) on your own.
MEDCRAM posted excellent videos on the pandemic since the first month of the pandemic which helped me immensely while I was working in an ER through the worst of it all and then running a Covid isolation facility for the military.
