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The other day I was watching Border Wars and there was a situation where a woman was brought over as a very young child, around 4 years old. She had lived in the US all her life . She had to go back to Mexico to take care of her family still there and got stuck in Mexico, tried to sneak back and got caught.

I am a little torn on this. Yes she came over illegally but its not like she had a choice in the matter being so young. She also was wrong to leave the US with out getting proper documentation before leaving the country. I personally believe that in situations like this their should be an expedited way for them to get temporary/permanent citizenship provided that they can one prove that they were brought over here when they were young and had no choice but to go with the family and two they can also prove that they have been a productive member of our society.

What are your thoughts?
 
I think I would have to agree with you, especially in cases like this. However, and I am asking this honestly wouldn't it be just as bad that the family brought her over (again she had no say) but then the family is deported after she had been here 20 yes? I think that would also be bad, I agree there should have been an easier way to get documentation and she failed to do so for herself. But you also have the problem of many illegals bringing children over illegally, it's a rough issue I don't see being solved soon.
 
The adults at the time made the choice to hop the border illegally so they made their beds now they can lay in it. I have no sympathy for those individuals who risk the child's life to make the trek. If the child is still young then they get deported with the rest of the family.
 
I would say we are definitely in agreement there, I also am less opposed to it if they become a contributing part of society. A friend of mine's father came from Mexico illegally, however his father joined the military served his time and still to this day is very hardworking. That I don't mind at all.
 
My grandfather was brought to the U.S. by his uncle when he was about 3 or 4 along with his baby sister. His mother had died in Mexico and the rest of the family was in the U.S. This was about 100 years ago when people went back and forth without much issue. As soon as he was aware of his situation and old enough to do something about it, he did. He became a citizen and learned the language.

He and Grandma had six children and only English was allowed in the house. Today those kids hold PhDs and top management positions in oil and telecom companies. Would it have been nice if there was an easy way to do it? Yes. Did he want it badly enough to do it anyway? Hell yes.
 
I was TDY in the USVI about eight years ago and we had a dude that got popped on a boat that was used to smuggle folks into the U.S. This guy spoke perfect English with a heavy NYC accent. Turned out his mom came to the U.S. with him when he was 1 or 2 and he grew up in NYC, got popped by the police around the age of 20 and then was deported. As soon as he hit the ground in S. America, he hitched a ride to get back home and the USCG popped the boat he was on.
 
dirtmover said:
The other day I was watching Border Wars and there was a situation where a woman was brought over as a very young child, around 4 years old. She had lived in the US all her life . She had to go back to Mexico to take care of her family still there and got stuck in Mexico, tried to sneak back and got caught.

I am a little torn on this. Yes she came over illegally but its not like she had a choice in the matter being so young. She also was wrong to leave the US with out getting proper documentation before leaving the country. I personally believe that in situations like this their should be an expedited way for them to get temporary/permanent citizenship provided that they can one prove that they were brought over here when they were young and had no choice but to go with the family and two they can also prove that they have been a productive member of our society.

What are your thoughts?
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"Had to go back" as in life, limb, or eyesight? Don't know the situation but I really doubt it. We all make choices.

So she could have completed the immigration process legally. If someone wants to live here AND reap the benefits of being a citizen (work, security, prospects for better life, education, etc.) then "you gotta pay to play". How many illegals (not talking about work permits or visas...they are here LEGALLY) serve their duty on a jury? in the military? or any other public service?

Similar to the recent illegal who passed the bar in California and was permitted to practice. Clearly he is a smart guy so why not go back to Mexico and practice law there? Because QOL here is better.
 
dirtmover said:
The other day I was watching Border Wars and there was a situation where a woman was brought over as a very young child, around 4 years old. She had lived in the US all her life . She had to go back to Mexico to take care of her family still there and got stuck in Mexico, tried to sneak back and got caught.

What are your thoughts?
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The law is the law. It sucks for her, but if we make all of our immigration (and legal) decisions based on pity or sympathy, you maight as well open the gates.

Everyone has a sad story. Most of them are BS.
 
These folk talk to each other. They know the laws, but they choose to ignore them. Not much sympathy here.

LL
 
Either deport them all or create (change) the system with a path to citizenship. That is a black or white view. However I do agree with what has been stated above; if you contribute you can stay BUT you still must get your papers. If you want to stay you're going to pay.

My view begins to shift then. If you're a scumbag you get deported. If you contribute you agree to conditions such as but not limited to getting your papers, paying back taxes (or a fine) and agreeing to obey the laws.

The federal government is part of the problem by allowing the situation to get to this level. Plus the other factors such as companies employing illegals, states such as CA and or NY wanting to give illegals DLs and so on.
 
After what I went through to become a legal citizen of the USA, I have very little sympathy for those that break the law to come here, and then demand rights that aren't theirs to have.
As @Marine0311 stated, The Federal and also to a lessor degree, state governments are responsible as well, for their failed immigration policies and policies regarding illegal immigrants.

It's a complicated issue for sure but there is a black and white component. Illegal immigration is a CRIME.
 
medicchick said:
Beginning the first of the year Nevada started that too. The result, record numbers of failure because they can't past the written test.:rolleyes:
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You watch, they'll sue because the test isn't in Spanish and/or because the test is racist.
 
Marine0311 said:
... states such as CA and or NY wanting to give illegals DLs and so on.
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Maryland too. :rolleyes:

With the new governor, I doubt Virginia is far behind.

pardus said:
After what I went through to become a legal citizen of the USA, I have very little sympathy for those that break the law to come here, and then demand rights that aren't theirs to have.
As @Marine0311 stated, The Federal and also to a lessor degree, state governments are responsible as well, for their failed immigration policies and policies regarding illegal immigrants.

It's a complicated issue for sure but there is a black and white component. Illegal immigration is a CRIME.
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You are the kind of person we want emigrating to America.

pardus said:
You watch, they'll sue because the test isn't in Spanish and/or because the test is racist.
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IIRC, California allows people to take the test in Spanish and a bunch of other languages. Doesn't make sense to me, as the road signs aren't in Spanish/Arabic/Chinese... :hmm:
 
Those illegals need a SSN to work. That means stealing someones identity.
They then claim an ungodly number of dependents so no income taxes are taken.
The real SSN holder gets hit at tax time and has to prove he/she isn't the person with the second job. Social Security and the IRS know (pretty quickly) when the fraud hits, but do nothing.

I'd sell all the SSN's belonging to our Congressmen/women so they could experience the fun of a tax audit.
 
I have a lot of sympathy for the children brought into the country illegally. I support immigration reform because it is the only viable solution not because it's the right thing to do.

As for the girl originally mention. We all have to make choices in life and live with those consequences.
 

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