TLDR20
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Good point. I guess long term as in 16 years it was ok. It is not a comparable situation though.
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Good point. I guess long term as in 16 years it was ok. It is not a comparable situation though.
Typical passive-aggressive comment, not surprising.
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That must have been a MESS. When I was in 5th Group we were doing a lot of targeting on the upper levels of the Mahdi Militia, including Sadr, until his fat ass came off the target deck.
I wish your friends good hunting, and a safe return.
Wow that is an ENORMOUS commitment of manpower.
Based on the terrain they're going to have to fight in, and Hamas' commitment, they're going to need it.
President Obama had words about the situation.
I think they were good ones.
Israel at war with Hamas after surprise attacks, around 900 Israelis dead
I think they were good ones.
Israel at war with Hamas after surprise attacks, around 900 Israelis dead
Sorry boss, I can't deal with passive-aggressive nonsense because they can.
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Typical politician. At least he didn't say the future doesn't to belong to those who slander the prophet...
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That's like the Titanic's iceberg commending the strength of the hull.
"All icebergs should be horrified and outraged by the brazen penetration of the Titanic's hull and the slaughter of innocent civilians," Obama began.
"We grieve for those who drowned, pray for the safe return of those clinging to flotsam, and stand squarely alongside the RMS Carpathia as its lifeboats enter the water," he added.
His statement also called for peace between icebergs and steel hulls.
"As we support the hull's right to buoyancy, we must keep striving for clear navigation and purity of the ice left behind."
Last post on this subject for now, but probably not for the night.
I think I mentioned earlier that some of the places in Israel we visited last summer with our annual college-level study trip were attacked by, or completely over run by, Hamas. This includes the town of Sderot, the Army outpost at Nahal Oz, and the Karem Shalom crossing station.
What was interesting about Sderot was how prepared they were for rocket attacks. Every home, we were told, (and in many cases could see from the street) had a saferoom that was artillery-resistant and doubled as a lockable panic room. The playground had bomb shelters that were in come cases cleverly disguised to be more kid-friendly. For example, one long shelter made of concrete culverts was painted up to look like a caterpillar to appear more kid-friendly.
...but artillery shelters and concrete caterpillars aren't much use against a ground assault.
There were also a number of Israeli Army units moving around in the town, in what seemed like a typical patrol. Not a whole lot of troops, but enough that I felt pretty comfortable while we were there.
IIRC we briefly stopped at Nahal Oz for lunch. It was a typical small Army outpost, kind of like what we might see in Iraq back in the day. A lot of the equipment, and the people there, were familiar even though it was a foreign Army in a foreign country. Quite a few mech vehicles and soft skinned vehicles. The Israelis use a Jeep variant for a primary military vehicle, which as a Jeep guy I appreciated. The soldiers there seemed ready, but not tense. I watched a Hamas video last night that purported to show Hamas fighters all over Nahal Oz.
From what I understand, Karem Shalom was attacked but I'm not sure if it, or the Eres crossing (or both) were over run. Based on the Hamas videos I watched last night, they got at least one of them. I have only been to Karem Shalom once and I didn't see all of it, so I couldn't tell if the video I watched was the crossing site I went to, or a different one.
I tend to take crappy photos, but I might be able to track down some better ones later. For now, these two photos are from inside the Karem Shalom crossing's briefing room. The first pic shows a bunch of different ways Palestinians attempted to smuggle in contraband through the station. The second photo is the remains of weapons shot at the crossing from inside Gaza.
One of the other things we did last year was spend some time at a "terror tunnel" that the Israelis discovered and cut off, and now use as a training aid / tourist destination. We had a military escort while we were at the terror tunnel. One of the young women on the trip asked me a question about the Israeli vehicle shown in the picture below as everyone was queueing up to go into the tunnel. Whatever vehicle it was, we don't have in the US Army and I didn't know what it was, so we went to talk to the Israeli soldiers in the vehicle. They didn't speak English and I don't speak Hebrew, and by this time all of the translators were down in the tunnel. But we managed to ask them through gestures if they would allow us to look into the vehicle, which they gladly did. Then one of them took off his helmet and body armor and let my friend try it on. They even pulled out a mag and popped a bullet out of it (5.56 NATO green tip) for her to see. She later told me that was the first bullet she had ever handled in her life.
It seems weird to think about that the military / security people we met in those locations, may now be dead--or worse, captured.
I think I mentioned earlier that some of the places in Israel we visited last summer with our annual college-level study trip were attacked by, or completely over run by, Hamas. This includes the town of Sderot, the Army outpost at Nahal Oz, and the Karem Shalom crossing station.
What was interesting about Sderot was how prepared they were for rocket attacks. Every home, we were told, (and in many cases could see from the street) had a saferoom that was artillery-resistant and doubled as a lockable panic room. The playground had bomb shelters that were in come cases cleverly disguised to be more kid-friendly. For example, one long shelter made of concrete culverts was painted up to look like a caterpillar to appear more kid-friendly.
...but artillery shelters and concrete caterpillars aren't much use against a ground assault.
There were also a number of Israeli Army units moving around in the town, in what seemed like a typical patrol. Not a whole lot of troops, but enough that I felt pretty comfortable while we were there.
IIRC we briefly stopped at Nahal Oz for lunch. It was a typical small Army outpost, kind of like what we might see in Iraq back in the day. A lot of the equipment, and the people there, were familiar even though it was a foreign Army in a foreign country. Quite a few mech vehicles and soft skinned vehicles. The Israelis use a Jeep variant for a primary military vehicle, which as a Jeep guy I appreciated. The soldiers there seemed ready, but not tense. I watched a Hamas video last night that purported to show Hamas fighters all over Nahal Oz.
From what I understand, Karem Shalom was attacked but I'm not sure if it, or the Eres crossing (or both) were over run. Based on the Hamas videos I watched last night, they got at least one of them. I have only been to Karem Shalom once and I didn't see all of it, so I couldn't tell if the video I watched was the crossing site I went to, or a different one.
I tend to take crappy photos, but I might be able to track down some better ones later. For now, these two photos are from inside the Karem Shalom crossing's briefing room. The first pic shows a bunch of different ways Palestinians attempted to smuggle in contraband through the station. The second photo is the remains of weapons shot at the crossing from inside Gaza.
One of the other things we did last year was spend some time at a "terror tunnel" that the Israelis discovered and cut off, and now use as a training aid / tourist destination. We had a military escort while we were at the terror tunnel. One of the young women on the trip asked me a question about the Israeli vehicle shown in the picture below as everyone was queueing up to go into the tunnel. Whatever vehicle it was, we don't have in the US Army and I didn't know what it was, so we went to talk to the Israeli soldiers in the vehicle. They didn't speak English and I don't speak Hebrew, and by this time all of the translators were down in the tunnel. But we managed to ask them through gestures if they would allow us to look into the vehicle, which they gladly did. Then one of them took off his helmet and body armor and let my friend try it on. They even pulled out a mag and popped a bullet out of it (5.56 NATO green tip) for her to see. She later told me that was the first bullet she had ever handled in her life.
It seems weird to think about that the military / security people we met in those locations, may now be dead--or worse, captured.
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I'm tired and need to go to bed. I can also go out a limb and say you'll allow me the 10-ish hours for a proper response?
With that said, many of us understand indirect fire. I doubt any of us can comprehend the amount of IDF hitting a single location/ grid square.
Bunkers or not, that should enrage someone.
Good night, America.
This entire thing fucking makes me irate and sick.
I was busy today, so I'll post a long winded response to some of todays posts.
First: Partial Intel failure, Israeli Navy has been kicking ass from the beginning. My take is they knew something was up, but under estimated, size, scope, complexity.
Regarding the C-17, two members of the US House of Representatives were in Israel when the attack started, Cory Booker and another member from New York (?). I'm going on a limb and saying the planes went there to evacuate them, and non-essential embassy staff.
Iran may have just fucked Russia, Putin just doesn't know it yet.
Israel hasn't sent anything worthwhile to the Ukraine (IRON DOME) because they need to play nice with Putin. The Russian-Iranian weapons connection may change that.
Let's see if America's Jewish population keeps voting Democrat at the box, and with their wallets.
Let's go Brandon.
First: Partial Intel failure, Israeli Navy has been kicking ass from the beginning. My take is they knew something was up, but under estimated, size, scope, complexity.
One reason Police Departments were created was to cut down on vigilantism, Cops were needed to protect criminals and make sure they were alive for trial. It also reduced the number of innocents killed by vigilantes.
I wonder what isn't showing up?
Poland is openly running a NEO. 737 came in today and took some folks home.
Regarding the C-17, two members of the US House of Representatives were in Israel when the attack started, Cory Booker and another member from New York (?). I'm going on a limb and saying the planes went there to evacuate them, and non-essential embassy staff.
Iran may have just fucked Russia, Putin just doesn't know it yet.
Israel hasn't sent anything worthwhile to the Ukraine (IRON DOME) because they need to play nice with Putin. The Russian-Iranian weapons connection may change that.
Let's see if America's Jewish population keeps voting Democrat at the box, and with their wallets.
Let's go Brandon.
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Rest well, brother.I'm tired and need to go to bed. I can also go out a limb and say you'll allow me the 10-ish hours for a proper response?
With that said, many of us understand indirect fire. I doubt any of us can comprehend the amount of IDF hitting a single location/ grid square.
Bunkers or not, that should enrage someone.
Good night, America.
