Israel and Iran

Listening to Megyn Kelly today on sirius, she had Sen. Ted Cruz on. He said something that blew my mind so I looked it up. In 2021, Democrats voted for tens and hundreds of millions in aid to Palestine knowing it would fund Ham-ass. Ted Cruz got laughed at when he claimed it would lead to the deaths of Americans.

Sen. Cruz, Colleagues Slam Biden Admin for Renewed Aid Despite Palestinian Authority Funding for Terrorists | U.S. Senator Ted Cruz of Texas

Ted Cruz Says 'Americans Will Die' From Biden-Approved Aid to Palestinians
 
Before I shut myself down to go into study mode today, one last point I'd like to make. With all the tunnel activity from the Palestinian side and the news today or yesterday that they expect Hamas to be in hiding within Israel, why do they not have secret tunnels going way into Gaza? I know it's probably illegal in international law or something but who cares anyhow? So are the settlements in W Bank.

I hope the Israelis have war gamed a scenario like this with tunnels being way further into their territory than expected, and a similar attack happening deep into the country. Israel should have no problem making a similar tunnel network of their own, and of course more strategic and built better.
 
BlackSmokeRisinG said:
Before I shut myself down to go into study mode today, one last point I'd like to make. With all the tunnel activity from the Palestinian side and the news today or yesterday that they expect Hamas to be in hiding within Israel, why do they not have secret tunnels going way into Gaza? I know it's probably illegal in international law or something but who cares anyhow? So are the settlements in W Bank.

I hope the Israelis have war gamed a scenario like this with tunnels being way further into their territory than expected, and a similar attack happening deep into the country. Israel should have no problem making a similar tunnel network of their own, and of course more strategic and built better.
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I have no idea whether Israel has tunnels into Gaza or not, but I suspect they don’t. Tunnels are extremely expensive; one of the reasons Gaza is broke all the time (aside from rampant corruption) is they’re spending hundreds of millions of dollars on tunnels.

They also tend to be single-use and easily counterable. They can be death traps for eh infiltrating force. And you don’t rely need tunnels when you have brigades of tanks and complete control of the air and sea.

I could see a situation where Israel maybe did some counter tunneling into an existing terror tunnel.

That said, before this weekend I would have dismissed “mass Hamas paragliding insertion” as highly unlikely as well. I guess we’ll see.
 
BlackSmokeRisinG said:
Listening to Megyn Kelly today on sirius, she had Sen. Ted Cruz on. He said something that blew my mind so I looked it up. In 2021, Democrats voted for tens and hundreds of millions in aid to Palestine knowing it would fund Ham-ass. Ted Cruz got laughed at when he claimed it would lead to the deaths of Americans.

Sen. Cruz, Colleagues Slam Biden Admin for Renewed Aid Despite Palestinian Authority Funding for Terrorists | U.S. Senator Ted Cruz of Texas

Ted Cruz Says 'Americans Will Die' From Biden-Approved Aid to Palestinians
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America’s good intentions have cause a lot of problems in the world. This is another good example.
 
I'm going to "say" the quiet part out loud. This is unending. Period, and this problem goes back decades and decades. We all know this. Hamas and the Palestinians are not going to stop, Hezbollah and Iran are not going to stop, this is human nature going back to the first civilizations. The behavior and circumstances are not new.

Christ, painting bomb shelters to look like caterpillars to help children cope? Can anyone here fathom such a thing? Every home has a shelter? Where else on the planet does this happen? Imagine that in America or anywhere else. But there is a way forward.

Genocide.

"Holy fuck, A-dub, are you advocating genocide? Isn't that why Israel was founded?"

No, I'm not advocating killing every Jew, Palestinian, or Iranian, but that's about the only way this ends. Any "peace" deal will be temporary, history has shown us this. So you either kill off one side or subjugate them, otherwise we'll be right back here having the same discussion some other day.

"Peace in the Middle East" is an illusion unless you kill your way out of the problem.
 
AWP said:
Christ, painting bomb shelters to look like caterpillars to help children cope? Can anyone here fathom such a thing? Every home has a shelter? Where else on the planet does this happen? Imagine that in America or anywhere else.
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I know I have those pictures somewhere. I’ll see if I can find them when I’m on my flight in a few minutes.

I think I also have a picture of the bunker/bomb shelter/day care center that was at a different kibbutz. It not only had a reinforced roof to help with rockets, their doors were reinforced. Not against rockers, but because the Israelis know, through bitter experience, that if Palestinian terrorists ever got in, the children wouldn’t be collateral damage, they’d be a primary target.

…just like what happened this time.
 
As I said in another post. This only ends one way. What is trashy is that our college campuses have become a have for hatred, and they have been this way for a very long time. The rabbit talks about the Chinese Communists and also the Russian Communists infiltrating our social institutions. Well so have the Arabs, and this has obviously been by design.

But someone explain to me how someone holding an alphabet flag can be so brainwashed that they march for peace with Palestinians in any western country? Or how about Mia K out there stanning for Palestinians saying she mourns all the dead but stands with the oppressed? But really she has a worm in her brain that turns on that just hates Jews. It's like she forgot that the people who are committing these atrocities still have a price on her head.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1711532394480542050

https://twitter.com/x/status/1711554984435752993

Safe to say, we have been infiltrated, we have thousands of illegals crossing daily, many of whom are Arab. What do you think they're here to do?

The Gazans have been brainwashed for decades to be forever refugees and to be oppressed, I seriously wonder if the Democrats are taking notes from Hamas on how to keep people down or if it is the other way. Years ago when Hamas became a political party and took seats in the PA parliament this went off like Donkey Kong, it set Gaza back.

A post above mentioned the "annexation of the West Bank"? The West Bank was ceded to Israel by Jordan decades ago now. There is nothing to annex really. The fact that Israel outlawed settlement of the West Bank for a long time was more a way to attempt peace with the forever refugee err I mean born terrorists.

Israel has tried peace, it protects Palestinians more than it protects Israelis in a sense. There are numerous videos of Palestinian protests with a counter protest by Israelis and the police beat up on the Israeli counter protest. They say the Netanyahu government is ultra right wing, but it beats up on the most conservative elements of its society.

But let's just be clear. Hamas is a cancer, a gangrenous limb, it will need to be cleaved off. And even then someone else will probably just take its place and continue this. The difference today? Well, Jordan and Egypt don't want to get their ass kicked again. So there will no surprises from them.

Watched this video this morning, the depravity of what is described is not close to Hamas of 20 years ago. This is straight ISIS level shit. We've gone medieval, I think the only way to fix this probably what A dub said...but then a Palestinian who may grow up loving Israel 20 years from now will come to a college campus in the US or the UK and get radicalized.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1711697093151056355

https://twitter.com/x/status/1711718195025821976

ETA: Per ISW, Hamas was still conducting over the fence incursions yesterday. The latest into Rahat.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1711562430608822737
 
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@ThunderHorse

Part of me ranting and raving about commies, is because I don't really know how to classify people who hate our nation, values, and do not want to assimilate. It's hard for the rabbit to quantify a name for people who hate and are trying to dismantle western society and values. (TLDR Rabbit R dumb :D)

You're on target in how colleges are grounds for radicalization. Colleges are also a way for these 'groups' to infiltrate a town/culture/society, that has been largely free of their influence. I don't know if it's because there is a pre-existing cadre of sympathetic useful idiots there or if they network. I just know that they are a threat.

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Regarding what's happening in Israel, this shit might be coming here. Weakness led to this. Placating an enemy led to this. That said, I'm not holding my breath for liberal civvies to open their eyes until it's their ass on the chopping block.
 
In the US and much of the western world we have Hamas sympathizers in our govt's at various levels. We also have certain ethnic populations that are decidedly pro Hamas and are celebrating these events. Given what's happening in Israel and our experiences in the Middle East, why should we expect to be treated differently?

Why are we as a society placating a culture that is an anathema to the foundational beliefs of our nations and the western world?

Food for thought.
 
Tense exchange today.

Person: "We really need to hear Hamas and figure out what they want. I think they were lashing out and deserve to be heard. Israel is the real enemy here."

Me: "Israel need to rake Gaza into the Med with such fury and finality that the Palestinians will talk about what happened there for the next 10,000 years."

Person with a gasp, "Oh my God, what did you say??"

Me: "Did I stutter??"
 
Devildoc said:
Tense exchange today.

Person: "We really need to hear Hamas and figure out what they want. I think they were lashing out and deserve to be heard. Israel is the real enemy here."

Me: "Israel need to rake Gaza into the Med with such fury and finality that the Palestinians will talk about what happened there for the next 10,000 years."

Person with a gasp, "Oh my God, what did you say??"

Me: "Did I stutter??"
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Agreed. After reading about some of the almost unimaginable atrocities that took place, I have no patience for anyone’s “yeah but…” right now.

This incident has caused me to do some much overdue reading. In a nutshell I learned:
- Hamas is an organization (although usually not very organized) that literally exists with a mission to wipe out of the existence of Israel
- Iran was most definitely involved in training/coordination. The OPSEC was way too tight and the strike too coordinated.
- Iran is/was concerned about a potential agreement between Saudi Arabia And Israel.
- Israel is surrounded by enemies and essentially has not choice to be respond hard and fast
- The hostages are a complication for Israel, and sadly, I thing most of them are going to die. The rest will likely be traded back to Israel in some type of prisoner exchange.
 
Ooh-Rah said:
Agreed. After reading about some of the almost unimaginable atrocities that took place, I have no patience for anyone’s “yeah but…” right now.

This incident has caused me to do some much overdue reading. In a nutshell I learned:
- Hamas is an organization (although usually not very organized) that literally exists with a mission to wipe out of the existence of Israel
- Iran was most definitely involved in training/coordination. The OPSEC was way too tight and the strike too coordinated.
- Iran is/was concerned about a potential agreement between Saudi Arabia And Israel.
- Israel is surrounded by enemies and essentially has not choice to be respond hard and fast
- The hostages are a complication for Israel, and sadly, I thing most of them are going to die. The rest will likely be traded back to Israel in some type of prisoner exchange.
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I have further reduced it to the lowest common denominator. When people ask, what about the women and children in Gaza? Now my reply is simply a shrug. If I say anything, I ask why Hamas has to put their military headquarters in the hospital? Why do they use human shields? Why do they set up bases inside civilian infrastructure? Not my problem. If Hamas wants to get stupid, their people will pay the price. That's the way it's been for thousands of years, that's the way it will always be.
 
Domestic terrorists and activists siding with overseas terrorists and activists. What could possibly go wrong?

Liberals need to wake the fuck up. Not Conservative? Fine. Support celebrity causes the Left promotes? You’re no better than those you support, you’re now a terrorist. You want peace? Remove organizations like Hamas. If not? Reap it.

You will only seat people at the peace table once you’ve delivered enough crushing violence and loss. Don’t believe me? Can I interest you in history…?
 
TLDR20 said:
Looks like Israel and Iran are getting pretty saucy.

Reports of explosions at government buildings in Tehran.

Links:

Drones attack military plant in Iran: Tehran

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Iran raised fighter jets over the capital Tehran. There are unconfirmed explosions there as well. <a href="https://t.co/hRje3xwuOp">pic.twitter.com/hRje3xwuOp</a></p>&mdash; NOËL 🇪🇺 🇺🇦 (@NOELreports) <a href="
https://twitter.com/x/status/1619481685887975424
">January 28, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
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Indeed. Maybe because I don’t watch the news that much but I was surprised that a war started all of a sudden. Do you guys think that the U.S millitary will send SOCOM units there to fight the Hamas?
 
Bluebird19 said:
Indeed. Maybe because I don’t watch the news that much but I was surprised that a war started all of a sudden. Do you guys think that the U.S millitary will send SOCOM units there to fight the Hamas?
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Hey man, that speculation was raised already on this thread. And we are not going to speculate again until we see footage on FoxNews or Instagram reels.

Now the Marine FAST teams on the other hand....
 
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