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Lawyers on both sides plan to meet Monday with Judge Richard Kyle about instructions he plans give to the jury Tuesday, the Star Tribune reports.
Jesse and his BS lawsuit...(#this_ain't_over)
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Lawyers on both sides plan to meet Monday with Judge Richard Kyle about instructions he plans give to the jury Tuesday, the Star Tribune reports.
Interesting, sounds like it will be a contentious meeting.
I hope the Jury comes to a Not Guilty Verdict quickly, maybe JV can go away then.
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This may be the first time I've wished both cancer and AIDS on someone...
Hemorrhagic dick cancer of the mouth.
I hope someone punches Ventura in the mouth on the court house steps. That would make my week.
He'd just sue that person or their wife or their dog or maybe their second grade teacher.
I wish someone in the SEAL community would make the rounds with the message on CNN, Fox, milk cartons...whatever. "Scruff Face is no longer considered a SEAL, UDT, or any other part of the community."
At that point he'll fade into obscurity. He'll be lucky to sell frying pans on TV at 4AM, much less land something in prime time.
A punch would be poetic, but would only extend his "relevance" in our lifetime.
I'd like to see him show up at the UDT/SEAL get together at Ft Pierce. Just seeing guys telling him to go away would be nice.
along with the trial......here's an FYI:
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DAY - 10 - Goes to Jury on Tuesday
http://www.startribune.com/local/268036451.html?page=all&prepage=1&c=y#continue
The jury in the Jessie Ventura defamation trial will have to sort out dueling views of reality when they get the case Tuesday in U.S. District Court in St. Paul.
In closing arguments Tuesday morning, a lawyer for the estate of the late Chris Kyle can be expected to argue that testimony from a slew of witnesses, who saw some element of the confrontation, prove that Kyle accurately reported the former governor was punched out at McQ’s Irish Pub in Coronado, Calif., in 2006 after making an odious remark at a wake for a Navy SEAL killed in Iraq.
Ventura’s attorneys, who have labeled Kyle’s account fiction, are likely to argue that those witnesses, many of them loyal to Kyle, saw the events through a haze of alcohol, and some of their descriptions contradict. They place the verbal exchange and fight in various places — the bar’s patio, parking lot and sidewalks on either side of the bar.
That Kyle’s barroom witnesses outnumbered Ventura’s by 11 to three might suggest that the courtroom odds are against Ventura. But Judge Richard Kyle, who is no relation to Chris Kyle, is expected to tell jurors it is not the number of witnesses that should influence their decision, but the credibility of the testimony, a standard court instruction.
http://www.startribune.com/local/268036451.html?page=all&prepage=1&c=y#continue
The jury in the Jessie Ventura defamation trial will have to sort out dueling views of reality when they get the case Tuesday in U.S. District Court in St. Paul.
In closing arguments Tuesday morning, a lawyer for the estate of the late Chris Kyle can be expected to argue that testimony from a slew of witnesses, who saw some element of the confrontation, prove that Kyle accurately reported the former governor was punched out at McQ’s Irish Pub in Coronado, Calif., in 2006 after making an odious remark at a wake for a Navy SEAL killed in Iraq.
Ventura’s attorneys, who have labeled Kyle’s account fiction, are likely to argue that those witnesses, many of them loyal to Kyle, saw the events through a haze of alcohol, and some of their descriptions contradict. They place the verbal exchange and fight in various places — the bar’s patio, parking lot and sidewalks on either side of the bar.
That Kyle’s barroom witnesses outnumbered Ventura’s by 11 to three might suggest that the courtroom odds are against Ventura. But Judge Richard Kyle, who is no relation to Chris Kyle, is expected to tell jurors it is not the number of witnesses that should influence their decision, but the credibility of the testimony, a standard court instruction.
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Defense makes closing arguments -
Jesse's team up next.
Reject Ventura suit, lawyer says in closing arguments
Article by Randy Furst, Star Tribune
Tuesday, July 22, 2014 | 27 minutes ago
Jesse Ventura arrived at court with his wife, Terry, and others. Photo by Jim Gehrz, Dml - Jim Gehrz Star Tribune
An attorney for the estate of Chris Kyle, the late author of a bestselling book “American Sniper,” told a federal jury in St. Paul Tuesday that they should reject Jesse Ventura’s claims that he was falsely defamed.
John Borger delivered the first of the closing arguments in the former Minnesota governor’s defamation case, representing Kyle’s estate and widow, Taya.
“Jesse Ventura is left with only his own words about what happened that night at McP’s Irish Pub,” the California bar where Ventura was allegedly punched out, Borger said.
Borger said that Kyle’s memoir was accurate and consistent and bolstered by 11 witnesses, all of whom saw “something” the night of Oct. 12, 2006, at the bar where the alleged confrontation occurred.
Borger said the suit boiled down to whether the jury believed the gist of a section in Kyle’s book. Borger said that the jury should focus on the statements Kyle claimed that Ventura made: that the United States killed women and children in Iraq, that Navy SEALs deserved to “lose a few” and that Ventura “hates America.”
Borger said that Ventura’s career had plummeted in the years since his governorship along with his reputation. He said Ventura’s “outrageous” statements created far more problems for him than anything that was in the book.
David B. Olsen, the attorney for Ventura, is about to issue his closing arguments.
The 10-member jury is expected to get the case at midday.
True or false?
“The first thing the jurors have to establish is whether what was published in the book is false, because under American law, no matter how harmful something is to someone’s reputation, if it’s true, it can’t be the basis of a libel claim,” said Jane Kirtley, professor of media ethics and law at the University of Minnesota, on Monday.
The jury will have to decide whether Chris Kyle’s account is substantially accurate, even if he got some facts wrong.
Kyle wrote that Ventura “swung” at Kyle, but there is little evidence that he did. “I laid him out,” wrote Kyle, and two witnesses testified they saw a punch thrown. Several witnesses saw no punch, but did see Ventura being helped up. “Tables flew,” wrote Kyle, but no one testified to that.
“Rumor has it,” Kyle wrote, that Ventura went to a SEAL graduation with a black eye. No witnesses saw him with a black eye, and Ventura’s attorneys produced photos that showed no marks on him.
Before the fight, Kyle wrote, Ventura allegedly made a nasty remark about President George W. Bush, and stated, “We were doing the wrong thing” in Iraq, “killing men, women and children and murdering them.” He called the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks “a conspiracy,” and just before Kyle punched him, Ventura allegedly told him, “You deserve to lose a few,” apparently referring to SEALs who were deployed to Iraq. This comment, and some of the others were heard by various witnesses put on the stand by Kyle’s legal team.
Ventura, a former member of the underwater demolition team connected to the SEALs, testified that he was devoted to the SEALs and would never make such a remark. He said he blames the politicians who send soldiers to war, not those who fight for their country.
The remark that SEALs “deserve to lose a few,” which seems to be the key comment, was heard in the evening by witnesses, and underscores the possibility Ventura said it. But some heard him say it to groups of SEALs in the patio, while others say he said it outside the bar, or before the punch.
Charlene DeWitt, the wife of one of Ventura’s SEAL friends, said she sat near Ventura throughout the evening and never saw a fight. She said she did hear Ventura say: “I don’t think this war is worth one SEAL dying for.” She said that expressed Ventura’s “love for Navy SEALs.”
Witnesses for Kyle’s side testified they saw no woman near Ventura that night.
Details of defamation
Attorney Marshall Tanick, who has taught law classes on defamation, said jurors must go through several stages to reach a verdict that Ventura was defamed.
They must first conclude that Kyle’s account is substantially false. If they find it is substantially true, the trial is over, and the former governor loses.
If they find it was false, they must then determine if it damaged his reputation. If they conclude that it did, they must decide if Kyle knew it was false and published it with reckless disregard for the truth.
If they reach that finding, they must determine the amount of damages. The book sold 1.5 million copies, and attorneys argued about the impact the three-page subchapter on Ventura had on sales.
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American Sniper” is accurate, and former governor caused his own problems, lawyer for Kyle estate says.
http://www.startribune.com/local/268122602.html
Jesse's team up next.
Reject Ventura suit, lawyer says in closing arguments
Article by Randy Furst, Star Tribune
Tuesday, July 22, 2014 | 27 minutes ago
Jesse Ventura arrived at court with his wife, Terry, and others. Photo by Jim Gehrz, Dml - Jim Gehrz Star Tribune
An attorney for the estate of Chris Kyle, the late author of a bestselling book “American Sniper,” told a federal jury in St. Paul Tuesday that they should reject Jesse Ventura’s claims that he was falsely defamed.
John Borger delivered the first of the closing arguments in the former Minnesota governor’s defamation case, representing Kyle’s estate and widow, Taya.
“Jesse Ventura is left with only his own words about what happened that night at McP’s Irish Pub,” the California bar where Ventura was allegedly punched out, Borger said.
Borger said that Kyle’s memoir was accurate and consistent and bolstered by 11 witnesses, all of whom saw “something” the night of Oct. 12, 2006, at the bar where the alleged confrontation occurred.
Borger said the suit boiled down to whether the jury believed the gist of a section in Kyle’s book. Borger said that the jury should focus on the statements Kyle claimed that Ventura made: that the United States killed women and children in Iraq, that Navy SEALs deserved to “lose a few” and that Ventura “hates America.”
Borger said that Ventura’s career had plummeted in the years since his governorship along with his reputation. He said Ventura’s “outrageous” statements created far more problems for him than anything that was in the book.
David B. Olsen, the attorney for Ventura, is about to issue his closing arguments.
The 10-member jury is expected to get the case at midday.
True or false?
“The first thing the jurors have to establish is whether what was published in the book is false, because under American law, no matter how harmful something is to someone’s reputation, if it’s true, it can’t be the basis of a libel claim,” said Jane Kirtley, professor of media ethics and law at the University of Minnesota, on Monday.
The jury will have to decide whether Chris Kyle’s account is substantially accurate, even if he got some facts wrong.
Kyle wrote that Ventura “swung” at Kyle, but there is little evidence that he did. “I laid him out,” wrote Kyle, and two witnesses testified they saw a punch thrown. Several witnesses saw no punch, but did see Ventura being helped up. “Tables flew,” wrote Kyle, but no one testified to that.
“Rumor has it,” Kyle wrote, that Ventura went to a SEAL graduation with a black eye. No witnesses saw him with a black eye, and Ventura’s attorneys produced photos that showed no marks on him.
Before the fight, Kyle wrote, Ventura allegedly made a nasty remark about President George W. Bush, and stated, “We were doing the wrong thing” in Iraq, “killing men, women and children and murdering them.” He called the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks “a conspiracy,” and just before Kyle punched him, Ventura allegedly told him, “You deserve to lose a few,” apparently referring to SEALs who were deployed to Iraq. This comment, and some of the others were heard by various witnesses put on the stand by Kyle’s legal team.
Ventura, a former member of the underwater demolition team connected to the SEALs, testified that he was devoted to the SEALs and would never make such a remark. He said he blames the politicians who send soldiers to war, not those who fight for their country.
The remark that SEALs “deserve to lose a few,” which seems to be the key comment, was heard in the evening by witnesses, and underscores the possibility Ventura said it. But some heard him say it to groups of SEALs in the patio, while others say he said it outside the bar, or before the punch.
Charlene DeWitt, the wife of one of Ventura’s SEAL friends, said she sat near Ventura throughout the evening and never saw a fight. She said she did hear Ventura say: “I don’t think this war is worth one SEAL dying for.” She said that expressed Ventura’s “love for Navy SEALs.”
Witnesses for Kyle’s side testified they saw no woman near Ventura that night.
Details of defamation
Attorney Marshall Tanick, who has taught law classes on defamation, said jurors must go through several stages to reach a verdict that Ventura was defamed.
They must first conclude that Kyle’s account is substantially false. If they find it is substantially true, the trial is over, and the former governor loses.
If they find it was false, they must then determine if it damaged his reputation. If they conclude that it did, they must decide if Kyle knew it was false and published it with reckless disregard for the truth.
If they reach that finding, they must determine the amount of damages. The book sold 1.5 million copies, and attorneys argued about the impact the three-page subchapter on Ventura had on sales.
Randy Furst • 612-673-4224
American Sniper” is accurate, and former governor caused his own problems, lawyer for Kyle estate says.
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I tossed JVs book in the trash.
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4 days of deliberation and no verdict. Don't know what to make of this...their first task was determining whether or not Jesse was defamed. If not, then the trial was over, lawyers in town are saying this does not look good for Kyle's side and that the jury is trying to determine damages. Or it may be as simple as the fact that they cannot not get a unanimous vote.
http://www.startribune.com/local/268639582.html
Jurors broke for the weekend without reaching a verdict in Jesse Ventura’s defamation lawsuit against the widow of an elite military sniper who the former Minnesota governor claimed libeled him in his bestselling memoir.
Juror’s have been deliberating more than three days at the federal courthouse in St. Paul, extending a riveting and uncertain legal case that has captivated supporters as well as critics of the often bombastic former professional wrestler.
Ventura testified Chris Kyle invented a story in his memoir “American Sniper” about punching him in a California bar in 2006 after Ventura supposedly insulted Navy SEALs.
Ventura seeking $15 million in damages, saying that the account tarnished his image and snuffed out his career.
Judge Richard Kyle informed attorneys for both sides that he sent home the jurors at 2:30 p.m. on Friday, which is a typical court schedule.
John Borger, attorney for the estate of Chris Kyle, met with reporters briefly to say that Taya Kyle, the widow, left Minnesota on Thursday to be with her children. She lives in the Dallas, Texas, area.
“Taya Kyle is very much appreciative of the attention that the jurors are giving the case,” he said. “But she misses being with her two children.”
http://www.startribune.com/local/268639582.html
Jurors broke for the weekend without reaching a verdict in Jesse Ventura’s defamation lawsuit against the widow of an elite military sniper who the former Minnesota governor claimed libeled him in his bestselling memoir.
Juror’s have been deliberating more than three days at the federal courthouse in St. Paul, extending a riveting and uncertain legal case that has captivated supporters as well as critics of the often bombastic former professional wrestler.
Ventura testified Chris Kyle invented a story in his memoir “American Sniper” about punching him in a California bar in 2006 after Ventura supposedly insulted Navy SEALs.
Ventura seeking $15 million in damages, saying that the account tarnished his image and snuffed out his career.
Judge Richard Kyle informed attorneys for both sides that he sent home the jurors at 2:30 p.m. on Friday, which is a typical court schedule.
John Borger, attorney for the estate of Chris Kyle, met with reporters briefly to say that Taya Kyle, the widow, left Minnesota on Thursday to be with her children. She lives in the Dallas, Texas, area.
“Taya Kyle is very much appreciative of the attention that the jurors are giving the case,” he said. “But she misses being with her two children.”
I don't think anything when it takes a jury a long time to return a verict. The Zimmerman trial (or was it the C. Anthony trial?) had holdouts who eventually (like cowards who should be beaten) rolled over and voted for that verdict. Why? They were tired and wanted to go home.
Judge Kyle told them to return with a unanimous verdict. I doubt they are hashing out money, my bet is one or two who are still holding on to whatever they think is right.
Judge Kyle told them to return with a unanimous verdict. I doubt they are hashing out money, my bet is one or two who are still holding on to whatever they think is right.
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I supposed you are right, but I am shocked that they are going to let this go into the weekend. More so that the jury was not sequestered, difficult to believe jurors are keeping a true media blackout and not checking the internet or listening to talk radio regarding the subject.
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Keep in mind this is a Minnesota jury pooled from a majority of liberal minds. To them Kyle is a killer of innocents and a bully, and Jesse is more like them. Hennepin county is as blue state as you can get, I will admit to being nervous that Jesse could prevail. I think getting the venue kept in MN vs. Texas may hurt the Kyle team.
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Agree.
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Sometimes juries seem to go completely against the evidence (ala Casey Anthony trial). I am hoping they do what they should do in this case. JVs case seems pretty weak, but I am obviously not on the inner workings, JMO.
Taya has a presence about her and I am hoping that sways the jury a little bit. As Chris isn't here to defend himself, and I so wish he was, Taya makes a great defendant in his place. I am hoping she appears sympathetic in the eyes of either the male or female jurors. She comes across very calm and rational, very articulate, very reasonable. Keeping my fingers crossed and saying a prayer for their family in this whole mess.
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I didn't know that 'conspiracy theorist' was a career.
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