National Protest and 'disband the cops' discussion (please review page 1)

Ooh-Rah said:
Other cities have shown that there are tactical ways to prevent what happened last night, without a death count.

The Mayor and Governor chose to sacrifice the city, that is unforgivable to me.

The President is a fool. Yes, a fool. I can only try to imagine what was going thru the minds of officers and Guardsmen on the scene when he Tweeted that. “He fucking said what?!? Oh great. That will calm these people down” 🔥
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It seems the police escalation(even without the agent provocateur theories) really didn't help either.

They're out there arresting news crews.

CNN crew released from police custody after they were arrested live on air in Minneapolis
 
amlove21 said:
Let’s go one step further. The building is attacked by nazi zombies. Everything is fine until the dinosaurs get loose.

This was a ridiculous assertion even as a thought experiment.

It’ll be helpful to answer my actual question- the president said he’d deploy military in America to shoot Americans.

You in or out?
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Nothing idiotic about it. What's your answer?

And I already gave you my answer for yours.
 
Ooh-Rah said:
Dude what?

What?

For clarification, I'm not black...but....while I don't agree with their tactics, I can 'understand' why much of Black America feels the need to pop off like this.

Well yeah, and why would they? You are better than this argument.
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I'm gonna be blunt, the more leeway we give Marxism and ghetto culture the more stuff like this is gonna happen. This isn't a race thing it's a culture thing. Though it can be argued that race has been used as an excuse to keep this toxic culture alive and healthy.

amlove21 said:
@R.Caerbannog Distraction aside, because again, you have no information we all don’t have (that you get from MSMs and spew as truth).

How do you feel about the president threatening military force to “start shooting” when the looting starts?

Rubber bullets or real- you packing bags for Minnesota right now or nah?
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If I was still in why not? Rubber bullets and CS gas ain't gonna kill anyone, if it does that's on them for partaking in this little adventure. Play stupid games win stupid prizes.

If you want me to advocate straight up murdering folks well... that's a talk you might have to have with someone else. Rubber bullets and CS gas are fine until it turns into a two way range.

Cookie_ said:
Interesting that to prove your you referenced a thing where armed domestic terrorists (IE violence for political change) took over a building and were treated better by the police than the average minority.

P.S. Fincum was shot reaching for a weapon.
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Dude was hit with something, flinched/spasmed, and was gunned down.

It's telling how quick you are to label people as 'domestic terrorists', but not the guys burn stuff down. It's not like I agree with any of the beef those people had, but I find it interesting to see how one side so quickly demonizes the other. Again, part of the play stupid games win stupid prizes theme.
 
R.Caerbannog said:
If I was still in why not? Rubber bullets and CS gas ain't gonna kill anyone, if it does that's on them for partaking in this little adventure. Play stupid games win stupid prizes.

If you want me to advocate straight up murdering folks well... that's a talk you might have to have with someone else. Rubber bullets and CS gas are fine until it turns into a two way range.
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Cool. Not what the president said though. but, given your history of apologia, I got the answer I expected.
 
amlove21 said:
We disagree. And absolutely not would I be ok with shooting Americans. Or deploying to Minnesota to act a security force.
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I didnt say you would be there as a security force. I just said you have been ordered to deploy there. Are you telling me that you would not follow a lawful order given to you by a Commanding Officer? We're on the same side with regards to firing on civilians. I just want to know where you'd be if it came down to you protecting your crew vs not harming someone attacking you or your crew.
 
amlove21 said:
Cool. Not what the president said though. but, given your history of apologia, I got the answer I expected.
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Dude... you're using sophistry and wordplay to make it seem like the president wants to massacre people. C'mon... I didn't even vote for the guy, but it seems I'm always trying to provide counter views to what you and some of the others are putting out.
 
Question - If cities are being burned down throughout the US because of riots, and there are not enough LEOs to handle the situation, do you let the cities burn or do you send in troops? If you send in troops and they are attacked, do the troops stand and take it or do they defend themselves? This is what I see taking place in the future if rioters realize nothing will be done to them.
 
amlove21 said:
Cool. Not what the president said though. but, given your history of apologia, I got the answer I expected.
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So let's go back and read this then...

@realDonaldTrump said:
....These THUGS are dishonoring the memory of George Floyd, and I won’t let that happen. Just spoke to Governor Tim Walz and told him that the Military is with him all the way. Any difficulty and we will assume control but, when the looting starts, the shooting starts. Thank you!
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This is a thoughtful and likely accurate prediction. Good enough for me to see that it should be de-escalated well before a federal response
 
R.Caerbannog said:
It's telling how quick you are to label people as 'domestic terrorists', but not the guys burn stuff down. It's not like I agree with any of the beef those people had, but I find it interesting to see how one side so quickly demonizes the other. Again, part of the play stupid games win stupid prizes theme.
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You're whole original post was "but no one cares about it when its conservative white people! We always get called terrorists"

And then the linked story you shared was literally from an incident of domestic terrorism.

I'm not labeling anybody, but if it makes you happy; sure, burning buildings can be considered domestic terrorism too.
 
BloodStripe said:
I didnt say you would be there as a security force. I just said you have been ordered to deploy there. Are you telling me that you would not follow a lawful order given to you by a Commanding Officer? We're on the same side with regards to firing on civilians. I just want to know where you'd be if it came down to you protecting your crew vs not harming someone attacking you or your crew.
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Don’t create a false dichotomy, and don’t appeal to emotion. I’ll not do the same. This has nothing to do with ‘protecting my crew’. This has to do with protecting target and autozone.

You saying that leads me to believe you grossly misunderstand the entire issue or you’re being a dick to prove a point. Either way- and this is me speaking, as a person, to you, not as a mod or an authority figure- you can knock that shit right off.
I’m happy to follow lawful orders. Done it my whole career. As a SNCO, it’s 100% my lane to critically examine which orders are indeed lawful and resist when those orders exist in a grey area- like when a 75 year old dude threatens to use the military to shoot looters via Twitter. Even joking.

What the fuck are we even talking about.
 
Arson of an occupied building is a crime in basically every state in the nation where use of lethal force is authorized by LAYMEN and has an affirmative defense in a court of law.

Just throwing that out there since everyone thinks looting's apparently cool. Protesting =/= looting/rioting. Hell, at least the Rodney King shit went down AFTER due process fucked things up.
 
Cookie_ said:
You're whole original post was "but no one cares about it when its conservative white people! We always get called terrorists"

And then the linked story you shared was literally from an incident of domestic terrorism.

I'm not labeling anybody, but if it makes you happy; sure, burning buildings can be considered domestic terrorism too.
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Just pointing out the the double standard that's currently in play. As for what's construed as domestic terrorism, you should look up some of the DHS FOIA stuff that's been released. You'd be surprised to see how easily one can fit into those very expansive guidelines. ;-)
 
Ranger Psych said:
Protesting =/= looting/rioting.
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"Why do the colonists not petition the king? Why must they throw the tea in the harbor?"

Not disagreeing with your overall point/supporting the arson, but we're a country founded on rioting.

An unfortunate mainstay of the American culture is we only change things when that change is brought about through violence or catastrophe.
 
From the many responses I have read on here it appears that many have no problem with rioters looting and burning down cities and nothing being done about it.
The President, in his remark to the Governor, basically said that if the state could not handle the situation then the military was there to help. But if it got out of hand and the military came in then it wouldn't be pretty. If a city or state can not handle the lawlessness in their state and things get so bad that they request military help then what do you expect the military to do?
 
Ranger Psych said:
Arson of an occupied building is a crime in basically every state in the nation where use of lethal force is authorized by LAYMEN and has an affirmative defense in a court of law.

Just throwing that out there since everyone thinks looting's apparently cool. Protesting =/= looting/rioting. Hell, at least the Rodney King shit went down AFTER due process fucked things up.
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A little trickier in MN, especially if it's a business. Lethal force can be used to protect life, not property. You'd be rolling the dice and better have a solid explanation.

Minnesota law won't excuse killing to protect property
 
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